Balochistan crisis & its resolution!

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Well said! PPP supporters have moaned that Army hinders progress in certain areas but under their rule, what do they do? Nothing!

Forget Balochistan - what did the PPP do for Sindh? Nothing!

At least Musharaf built a road from Karachi to Gwadar and roads throughout the rest of Balochistan. I am not saying Musharaf was good for Balochistan but development wise he did more.

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i really hope and pray things get better for our sisters and brothers in Balochistan ...

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I agree that Musharraf did some development work in Balochistan, but he has a big role in the fire that we see in Balochistan. Anyways, we cannot absolve the present administration/military leaders as well as the same failed policies are still being pursued by them, and the situation is getting more and more worse and complex.

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Ok, so I guess religious terrorists can be dealt with through so-called extra-judicial killing but "secular" terrorists backed by Pakistan's neighbors challenging the writ of state and paralyzing a province should be handled with kids' gloves. We should all surrender to these 'separatists' because the situation is "fast getting out of the hand" and "another 1971 seems to be in the offing." Hell no. Anyone that challenges the writ of the state should and will be dealt with. **NO state in the whole world will appease terrorists and cede territory just because terrorists are ratcheting up the pressure by increasing the level of violence.
**That said, I agree the Balochistan policy needs to be revamped. Even a fool would see that "enforced disappearences" are counter-productive so if the security-agencies are indeed behind them than they need to stopped. And more development projects should be started in the province.

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http://blogs.dunyanews.tv/?p=644

**Bleeding and Blazing Balochistan

****Almost daily, something unfortunate and depressing emanates from insurgency-torn Balochistan but easily goes unnoticed by ruling elite of the province and centre too. The appalling incidents fail to move people sitting at the helm of affairs for some viable solutions to the protracted ailment. It seems the ruling elite have virtually left people of the province at mercy of bigotry and brutal forces for completion of their ‘mission.’ Perhaps, they have been waiting for fall of the province while lying in their cozy bed rooms just like the breaking away of East Pakistan.Otherwise, the recurring heartbreaking incidents have moved them to take some concrete action.
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**Killings, kidnappings, bomb explosions, rapes at the hands of influential, kidnapping for ransom, dacoities, recovery of mutilated bodies of civilians — name any crime you can easily find rampant in the province. The deteriorating law and order situation has been forcing people either to migrate to other parts of the country or left for abroad for a peaceful life.

**Although, the ratio of shifting abroad is miniscule as hapless residents cannot simply afford it. **Nevertheless, some war lords have gone into hiding in Afghanistan and other tribal areas from where they have been controlling their militias effectively. **Thanks to criminal negligence of our so-called public representatives and myopic civilian and military leadership in handling the situation. They have rather contributed in exacerbating the matter by keeping mum on the daily painful incidents and atrocities being committed against innocent people of the province. Extremists and militants have, however, started targeting ruling elites of the province too and some recent high-profile killings are proof of it. But even then no concrete steps are being taken to curtail the menace — or at least we are unaware of the inclusive strategy adopted by the relevant authorities, if any.

For the past quite sometime, another ominous factor of sectarian violence has added up to the long list of oppressions and suppressions already unbridled there. Our detractors continue changing their strategies of inflicting miseries and melancholies to the people through recurring incidents of violence but so-called public representatives just appear silent spectators. They issue cosmetic statements following the horrific occurrences and that is all.

In the recent spree of violence — seemingly sectarian in nature — as many as 20 people were killed and more than 50 injured in just two days. Around nine members of the Hazara community were killed on July 29 by ‘unidentified’ assailants who ambushed and targeted their vehicle from another car. Another 11 people, all from Shiite community and including a woman were killed in a similar attack on the very next day. Both the incidents did not take place in some far-flung areas of the province but in the provincial headquarters, Quetta. The city is relatively considered peaceful and serene but not immune to the violent acts.

According to media reports, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi — one of the proscribed outfits and notorious for its sectarian acts across Pakistan — has claimed responsibilities of these attacks. Ali Sher Haideri, who claimed to be spokesperson of the organization, called offices of different newspapers and television channels and claimed his outfit had carried out the attacks and said that assaults on the Shiite community would continue.

Is there any crackdown being planned against activists of the outfit? Have the authorities devised any viable strategy to prevent repetition of such incidents? The authorities often blame a foreign hand in terror-related incidents. **Who will unearth the foreign hand? Who is responsible to protect life and property of citizens? Human Rights Watch (HRW) and scores of other national and international organizations, experts and think tanks have repeatedly warned the government against atrocities inflicted to the innocent people and their possible repercussions but all in vain. The inept and corrupt rulers just appear to rely on tall claims and strident statements, perhaps for their own vested interests.
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Otherwise, it is quite possible to curtail activities of the proscribed outfit and other militant groups and militias but it all demands sincerity, devotion and strong commitment to achieve the results. There is a dire need to reconcile the disenchanted groups of the province and resolve their genuine grievances at the earliest. Mere statements of doing their best for prosperity and alleviation of people predicaments are not going to work. PPP-led coalition government deserves credit for taking some remedial steps but they have to go an extra mile in repairing dents created in souls and minds of the people over the years before it gets too late.
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The situation has been complicated by the "use of force" alone, we can talk with any one in the world including India with which we have fought three wars but not with our own country men? if this was a one off affair, we could be in doubts but we have already seen the whole movie in 1971 (Formation of Bangladesh), willingly or unwillingly we are taking ourselves to the same fate. Our media used to propagate about dissapearances and killings in Held Kashmir throughout the 80's and 90's, and now we see the same thing in Balochistan and this has not solved the problem but with the passage of time made it more complex and slowly taking it to a point of no return when there will be no one in Balochistan supportive of Pakistan. No army in the world can keep people with themselves if all of them turn against the state, weapons alone are nothing we have seen the fate of USSR,Yugoslavia etc.

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If Balochistan issue needs to be sorted out honestly, the very first thing that should be done is to bring Musharaf back home and hang him upside down for the mess he has created after breaking the agreement of Quaid-e-Azam and then Khan of Qalat. Destroying the local levy system of Balochistan and making Military camps was no less a crime he committed, but to top it off, he murdered Bugti (regardless of how cruel the tribal system and these tribal leaders may be) by using the Pakistan Army resources. This put the last nail in the coffin and created the hatred and voices of freedom. A true Ata-turk fan, tool of CIA (which most other politicians are as well), and shame for the nation that he was.

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^ Couldnt have said this better, we can start the process of healing the wounds of baloch's by bringing Musharraf to justice for killing Bugti and created this situation in the first place.

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It is quite clear by now that using blunt force will not vanquish the insurgency, like it did in Sri Lanka, not least because the stakes are too high for Pakistan's neighbors and the border with Afghanistan is so porus that there can always be steady supply of "separatists" crossing over to wreak heavoc in Pakistan. I don't think Pakistan, unlike some countries like the U.S., has a principled stance of not talking or negotiating wth terrorists. I remember reading in Dawn the other day about Gilani inviting the estranged Balcoh "leaders" in exile to return and talk with government and it is high time their picnic in Afghanistan and India come to an end. Also the propoganda machine is working full time to alienate local people but the "point of no return" will occur ONLY when there is direct intervention from abroad. Otherwise just as in Northen Ireland, West Bank and Gaza, Kashmir, Nagaland, etc the insurgency will NOT succeed no matter how bloody.

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**ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday allowed political parties to operate freely for the first time in its lawless tribal belt of Fata and amended harsh federal laws in a bid to lessen the grip of militancy in the region.
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President Asif Ali Zardari signed the amendments by decree, with the government looking for ways to contain systemic violence in the semi-autonomous region that Washington has called the global headquarters of Al-Qaeda.

“In the long run we must defeat the militant mindset to defend our country, our democracy, our institutions and our way of life,” Zardari said, describing the system of justice in the tribal belt as “obsolete”.

The northwest region has long been governed by British colonial law.
It is a headquarters for Taliban and other Al-Qaeda-linked networks fighting against US troops in Afghanistan and behind a bombing campaign in Pakistan that has killed more than 4,500 people in four years.
Critics argue that the lack of reforms have alienated tribesmen and made it easier for militant networks to recruit young men to take up arms to fight the Pakistani government and to avenge a covert American drone war.

The Taliban bitterly oppose Islamabad’s alliance with the United States and American drone strikes, which leaked American diplomatic cables showed the government quietly approved.
“Henceforth the political parties, subject to appropriate regulations to be framed, will be freely allowed to operate in the tribal areas and present their socio-economic programmes,” said Zardari’s spokesman Farhatullah Babar.

Under the reforms, an accused has to be produced before an authority within 24 hours of his arrest and has the right to bail. The practice of arresting tribesmen for collective responsibility will also be softened, said Babar.
The Pakistani military is fighting against homegrown militants in much of the tribal belt, but has ignored US pressure to open a new front against Afghan and Al-Qaeda-linked extremists in the district of North Waziristan.
Babar told AFP that allowing political parties to operate freely meant that “a vacuum had been filled” and that parties would now liaise with tribal elders in order to carry out their activities in a peaceful manner.

Until now lawmakers representing the tribal belt were technically independents. Although some have been backed by political parties, the parties themselves were not allowed to operate on the ground

http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/12/president-zardari-allows-political-parties-in-fata.html

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To explain the Balochistan situation briefly. During the 2008 elections, the buffoon aka Nawaz Sharif convinced the mainstream political parties of Balochistan to boycott the elections, which they did. PML-N took part in elections anyway, but the political parties of balochistan in the APDM boycotted it and the result was that we got weirdos in the Balochistan assembly and no body from the mainstream parties. Some of the assembly members believed in racist supremacy of the baloch tribe and due to the interest of USA and India, Baloch youth were trained and given weapons to butcher as many punjabis as they could and occupy their properties. This went on from 2006 to date during which thousands of innocent urdu-speaking and punjabi people were butchered in broad daylight and their hard earned properties occupied by baloch in the name of "baloch rights".... the pakistani media and anchor persons obviously had no problem as it was not their family members being butchered. On the other hand, it became fashionable to support terrorist baloch organizations like BLA in their massacre of punjabis by calling it the right of balochs as they had been opressed for so long. The situation became so bad that any baloch young guy would go out with a gun, find the first punjabi he could anywhere and kill him there and collect blood money. They killed engineers, lawyers, doctors you name it. Eventually some patriotic elements in the state started targetting the BLA target killers and since then target killing of punjabis has been reduced. However our pathetic media people however still find it fashionable to say that oh let them kill punjabis to bring their anger down as they have been opressed.

The trouble with Balochistan is that a number of people sitting in power like Asim Kurd Gillo (another name for shaitan) openly support BLA and believe in killing every single punjabi if they could.

If anyone feels extreme sympathy for these baloch guys, please feel free to bring in your families here and live here so that you can taste the baloch "hospitality" yourself, but what we really hate is for people to sit on their bums in far away places and pass judgements like "Haeee Allah.... baloch people have been oppressed"...... btw bhutto being the genius that was crushed these baloch sardars and their terrorists without giving a second thought and was very successful in putting an end to the insurgency.

Interesting thing is that all these years the govt had been giving incentives to the baloch like the balochistan package, 100% increase in the budget and literally begging them to come to the able and these demands were met with a spit from people bramdagh bugti. However, ever since the targetted killing of BLA terrorists has started, these same elements are now saying that ok lets come on table. Trust me, Pakistan can kneel and beg all it wants, in the end it will have to be boots or no balochistan.

So this is the whole story of balochistan and this comes from someone who knows it inside out.

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Your forces.
They are not made for this.
Don’t think that
How many fronts they can fight ?
And they are too busy in their hundreds businesses
And Baluchistan is not land which is a heritage of Maharajah Ranjeet Singh
They were independent till 1947, Not slave of Britishers like you.
They have joined Pakistan on the personal requests of Qauid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jennah
They are great people
They could be defeated only with love

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News from Both sides in a single news from Jang (This Friday)

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I just came across an article, very well written, in Urdu about how (surprisingly) 14th independence was celebrated with great zeal in Quetta, but the media failed to cover anything at all. Will try to find it...

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You are right.
I listened at Tv a very good statement by Mr Magsi, Governor of Baluchistan same day but could not find that anywhere.
Javed Hashmi too gave a very brave statement on issues of Baluchistan. That was too kept hidden.
What are they doing with Pakistan ,I can not understand.

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Just have a look
Persian wheel near Diwana
A classic photo from my Baluchistan

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There is nothing anyone in Pakistan can do to stop Balochistan from succession except the Baloch people themselves. Killings are not the only reason for their demand for independence, their leaders are lured by the promises of being turned into an oil kingdom after independence. Baloch people have to decide if they have to listen to the foreigners or struggle like the rest of Pakistanis for a change.

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First of all its secession not succession and secondly lolz...... you should have seen the festivities and "atan" done by hundreds of thousands of pathans all across Balochistan on 14th August. There is no way in hell that Balochistan is going anywhere, well at least not in this life.

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Baluchistan problem is still solve able but there is no one to think even.
All greedy, incompetent,Corrupt fools are on top.
If you can know exactly what is happening in Rawalpindi Islamabad even during last whole decade, You will forget Baluchistan.
I don't think we have a way but only 'Allah"

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This is some real talk. Pasha sahib, you have spoken the truth and I am sure that many Pakistanis won’t like it.

The solution for Baluchistan involves unconditional amnesty, release of political prisoners, end to the disappearances, and a comprehensive social and political devolution of power. Pakistan has failed to integrate Baluchistan, opting for guns and threats – it has served no purpose but to inflame the already raw emotions of the Baluchi people.

And please, don’t even think about using Pakhtuns as a wedge issue for Baluchistan. EVERYwhere we are called terrorists, taliban sympathizers, yet in Baluchistan we are somehow all that is good and patriotic. Remember, Baluch culture much like Pakhtun culture, operates on consensus and confidence building – perhaps Islamabad needs to take an honest approach towards reconciliation.