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No matter what some people will always keep their eyes shut, anyways Nawaz Sharif yesterday called for an end to the military operation in balochistan.
And now PPP’s MNA is saying:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\01\07\story_7-1-2012_pg7_14#.TwghDA84Q4E.twitter
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Lolz.......please keep on dreaming !! Balochs living in Balochistan and who have been involved in the political struggle of Baloch rights are annoyed at terrorists like BLA. They openly admit that India is involved and are angry at indian backed organizations like BLA who they say have done more damage to their cause rather than support it. For example, they say that now their genuine political movement for the rights of Balochs has been tainted with blood and now some Baloch areas live in constant fear because of the evil doings of BLA. They said they had more security and leeway before these idiots ran around butchering everyone who disagrees to them.
And one more thing, BLA has been killing everyone who disagrees with their psychotic mindset (indian-induced) and this includes killing veteran Baloch nationalist politicians and leaders.
But of course, you don't know any of this.....most of your info is based on planted articles. Please keep on dreaming and we can come back here a couple of years later and then we will see whether Balochistan has progressed or has become bangladesh.
No more comments from my side..... so please feel free to post "articles" and "news"........
Thats good. Your utopian view of Balochistan on how outsiders see it wont be shared any more.
It is always planted by Indians, Indians, Indians
The Baloch have a culture based on honour. Did you think they would always accept a life as 3rd grade citizens in their own country? They are right in their struggle, sadly. You underestimate their culture and psychology.
You need to stop speaking to ISI planted Baloch who give you your viewpoint.
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If there is no problem in Balochistan then why is Nawaz Sharif, legislators from various political parties and even IK considering that to be a problem now. The situation needs to be addressed as soon as possible, and the factors that contributed in the current situation need to be addressed permanently. I believe autonomy has been given to the provinces as part of the 18th amendment, if some changes need to be done in that it should be done. There are many Baloch who believe that there's no future for Balochistan outside Pakistan's framework, but by continued operations Pakistan military is slowly silencing the voices of reason. The operations need to be stopped, and a genuine conversation be started with all the stakeholders. Most of the blame for the Balochistan problem lies with the wrong policies of our governments/military, if an external hand is found it needs to be vigorously shared with the concerned. I was just watching Zardari's latest interview with Hamid Mir, and when he asked him about Indian involvement in Balochistan all he had to say was "no comments".
If the situation in Balochistan was normal, we could have extracted gas from Zin block reserves, which are far more than SUI. We wouldnt have been in the midst of the gas crisis in which we are now.
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http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\01\08\story_8-1-2012_pg3_1#.Twlmiaksx7M.twitter
**EDITORIAL: APC on Balochistan
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Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Mian Nawaz Sharif has consistently been reaching out to the Baloch leadership and trying to mend fences with the people of Balochistan. On Friday he met National Party President Dr Abdul Malik Baloch, Mir Hasil Khan Bizenjo, Tahir Bizenjo and chief of the Jamhoori Watan Party Nawabzada Talal Akbar Bugti. Mr Sharif asked for an immediate end of the ongoing military operation in Balochistan and called for an All Parties Conference (APC) on Balochistan. An APC on the Baloch issue with all political forces across the board will be able to put pressure on the military to desist from pursuing its ‘kill and dump’ policy in Balochistan. Mr Sharif even mentioned the brutal killing of Balaach Marri, something that most mainstream politicians have not done. He reached out to Sardar Ataullah Mengal recently and his consistent efforts to raise the issue of Balochistan in the mainstream media and political circles are courageous and commendable. The issue is surely bigger than one party and if some critics feel that the PML-N is trying to score political points in this regard, they should be reminded that the PML-N does not have too much of a political stake in Balochistan at present.
**Remedial measures in Balochistan, if not taken immediately, can result in dire consequences for the federation. The Baloch are a resilient lot but it does not mean that the state of Pakistan take them for granted. Thousands of Baloch are missing to date and tortured, bullet-riddled, mutilated bodies of the Baloch are found in the province almost every day. It is astonishing to see the apathy of this nation towards its Baloch brethren. The security establishment is carrying out an oppressive and callous military operation in the country’s largest province and yet there is no outcry. The Baloch mourn the loss of their loved ones every day and yet there is no end in sight. That we lost East Pakistan in 1971 because of such repressive tactics has not taught anything to our ‘beloved’ military. **The political class should take stock of this situation and unite in the face of such brutal oppression. If they cannot rein in the military, the least they can do is create awareness in the country about the military’s killing spree against the Baloch. The blood of the Baloch has painted this country red. We cannot allow this state-terrorism to continue unabated. It is time to call a spade a spade and call the repression what it is: genocide.
Apart from the political class, the media must play its due role and not blackout the news from Balochistan, honourable exceptions aside, as it did in the case of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). Mian Nawaz Sharif’s calls for an end to the military operation in Balochistan should be listened to. The Baloch deserve our respect. They have been asking for their just rights, something this country owes them. If state repression is not ended, we cannot deny them their right to self-determination. Since nobody wants the disintegration of Pakistan, the political class need to put an end to brute force being used in the province and initiate a political dialogue with the Baloch nationalists. A political solution is the only solution. All missing persons should be set free, the military operation should end immediately and the grievances of the Baloch must be addressed.
This is the least that we owe them and ourselves. *](http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\01\08\story_8-1-2012_pg3_1#.Twlmiaksx7M.twitter)
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http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/08/faisal-mengal-symbol-of-progressive-baloch-youth.html
Faisal Mengal: symbol of progressive Baloch youth
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ON Dec 11, when the whole world was marking the international human rights day, a young progressive Baloch writer and social activist, Faisal Mengal, was shot dead in Karachi.
****Faisal, 35, one of Balochistan’s well-known liberal voices, had spent most of his youthful time assisting victims of drought, floods and earthquake across Balochistan.
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**Faisal’s killing has sent shockwaves to Baloch youths who are already regularly receiving the bullet-riddled bodies of their peers from assorted parts of the conflict-stricken province.
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**While repeated cases of enforced disappearances, torture and murder in Balochistan of young political activists are no longer a secret, the occurrence of such gruesome killings in Karachi further suggests the state’s lackluster response to Baloch sense of insecurity.
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Faisal Mengal was a forward-looking newspaper columnist in the country’s most backward province. He belonged to a middle class family of Naushki district and thus vociferously advocated empowering fellow Baloch through education.
He resisted tribal and class system and staunchly advocated equal rights and opportunities for all members of society. He was not the product of Balochistan’s much-censured tribal system.
He was a self-made young Baloch who had been empowered by education. He dreamt of transforming Balochistan with knowledge and wisdom. He truly knew what empowerment of education actually meant.
Faisal and I wrote columns in the same Quetta-based Urdu-language newspaper, Daily Asaap, as young writers in an effort to educate the people of Balochistan about their civil rights and responsibilities.
He temporarily gave up writing column after joining the US Consulate in Karachi as a staffer and, subsequently, moved to Islamabad to work with Hanns Seidel Foundation, the Munich-based one of Germany’s six non-profit political organisations.
Targeted killing of enlightened Baloch youths does not bode well for the future of this country. Such progressive and talented young men are a rare breed in a province which has the lowest literacy rate in Pakistan. People like Faisal provide some hope for an educated Balochistan and inspire the younger Baloch with their personal and professional accomplishments.
I would request governments of Sindh and Balochistan to jointly investigate the killing of one of the most intelligent Baloch writers and social workers that I had ever known.
MALIK SIRAJ AKBAR
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the big question here is why most vocal voices on gup shup are not coming forward in favour of balochis. ? or what snowey winter thinks is correct for all pakistanis?
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Sadly for most Pakistanis, Balochistan is a non issue! This is one of the complaints that the Baloch have for the rest of Pakistan, but with the passage of time it seems that some politicians have opened their eyes to see what's happening around them. Media is also not playing its role, otherwise this issue would have been resolved much earlier.
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the big question here is why most vocal voices on gup shup are not coming forward in favour of balochis. ? or what snowey winter thinks is correct for all pakistanis?
The real big question here is that why do the indians support the state terrorism of India against Kashmiris, Dalits, Shudars and Naxalites. Why don't they see the light and come forward to support the genuine freedom struggle of these factions. Only independence from the clutches of Brahmin New Dehli is the way forward.
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Sadly for most Pakistanis, Balochistan is a non issue! This is one of the complaints that the Baloch have for the rest of Pakistan, but with the passage of time it seems that some politicians have opened their eyes to see what's happening around them. Media is also not playing its role, otherwise this issue would have been resolved much earlier.
Balochistan is an issue for me and others like me. No one support unilateral military intervention in any area, but there is a difference between supporting and working for the genuine concerns of the common Balochs and supporting the indian-backed hindu terrorist groups like BLA. People like you are trying to give protection and support to separatist groups like BLA and nobody is stupid enough to buy these arguments, despite all the planted articles. People like you try to muddy the waters and then try to promote separatism and terrorism under the facade of Baloch liberation.
The real liberation will come when the Balochs are freed from the clutches of Baloch sardars who want to keep them backwards.
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Balochistan is an issue for me and others like me. No one support unilateral military intervention in any area, but there is a difference between supporting and working for the genuine concerns of the common Balochs and supporting the indian-backed hindu terrorist groups like BLA. People like you are trying to give protection and support to separatist groups like BLA and nobody is stupid enough to buy these arguments, despite all the planted articles. People like you try to muddy the waters and then try to promote separatism and terrorism under the facade of Baloch liberation.
The real liberation will come when the Balochs are freed from the clutches of Baloch sardars who want to keep them backwards.
Its Pakistani army which is trying to force the Baloch's to secede (they have done that once in 1971 while telling us till the fag end that everything was in control). Yesterday again Zardari said no comments when Hamid Mir asked him about Indian involvement in Balochistan.
5 years have gone since the war in Balochistan started, how many more years will be required to free the Baloch's from their sardars? And who will replace those sardars? Government approved sardars or private militias?
Read the article published in Daily times today, its talking about the same thing that the rest of us believe in. Do you think that Nawaz Sharif is a fool if he is talking about abductions and extra judicial killings of the Baloch?
Just keep watching the situation of Balochistan the end will be through negotiations, our army is not capable enough to win militarily. When the situation will go out of their hands then they will force the civilians to bail them out (like what happened after Kargil and how they made AQ Khan the scapegoat).
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The real big question here is that why do the indians support the state terrorism of India against Kashmiris, Dalits, Shudars and Naxalites. Why don't they see the light and come forward to support the genuine freedom struggle of these factions. Only independence from the clutches of Brahmin New Dehli is the way forward.
knock knock! is anyone in there?
Brahmin New Delhi? The PM is a Sikh, Sonia Gandhi is Christian, Anthony is Christian ....Mayavathi is Dalit.....I can go on about the powerful.
Quite idiotic and ill-informed for anyone to claim New Delhi is Brahmin - but Snowy Winter has only one thought when faced with any ailment of Pakistan and that is to blame India.
This is the fifth topic about Pakistan where having run out of anything to say, he tries to distract by bringing India in.
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**‘Every time a leader seeks apology, killings increase in Balochistan’
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Sunday, January 08, 2012
**Several politicians have, over the last few weeks, stressed the importance of an official reconciliation with the people of Balochistan. Recently, Nawaz Sharif has also brought this issue to the forefront, and has met with a number of Baloch leaders in an effort to apologize to, and reconcile with, the Balochi people. The people, however, do not seem to care if Pakistan Muslim League’s (N) chief is against the abductions of Baloch people. “He realized it quite late,” says Qadir Baloch, who is the head of the Voice for Baloch Missing Persons (VOMBP), on Saturday.
Qadir has come to Karachi, even though he faces death threats, to protest against the abductions of Baloch persons from Quetta.
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**Sitting in a camp outside Karachi Press Club which is surrounded by pictures of those missing, Qadir Baloch says that he will not go until “there is someone who can speak the truth with him.”
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**Among the pictures was one of a woman, who Qadir says is just one of the 150 women who have gone missing in recent years.
Apart from that, there are 169 children who were abducted along with their mothers from Vinder, near Hub Chowki, he informs.
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On the recent meetings of the PML (N) chief with various Baloch leaders, Qadir says that it is nothing more than “political point scoring.”
**“I want to ask him just one thing: can he bring back my son?”
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**Venting his anger on other politicians who do the same, Qadir says that every time a politician apologizes to the Baloch people, “the killings increase.”
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**Giving examples, he said that last year an influential man in Quetta informed the parents of Sami Mengal that their son had been abducted by the security agencies.
After speaking to some people within the security agency, he was given confirmation that Mengal had indeed been abducted by them and that he would be sent back home shortly. He informed Mengal’s parents immediately after.
Mengal’s parents kept waiting for the return of their son, until one day there was an announcement in a nearby mosque that their son had been found dead in a neighborhood dump.
“Can you imagine anyone believing in these apologies anymore?”
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Qadir says that he speaks for all those who come to him for help while looking for their loved ones.
**Qadir, who was accompanied by his five-year-old grandson, said that he will continue the struggle to bring back missing persons until he is killed.
The VOMBP will continue the sit in for two months and plans to hold similar sit-ins in other cities as well.**
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Britishers were much wise , They continued with states of Baluchistan but our fools tried to control every thing with power .
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There are credible reports that "america/india/and afghanistan" balochistan mein interference kar rahay hein.
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If there are reports of outside interference the government needs to make that public and take it with the concerned countries. Harping about the interference without providing a credible evidence will not help.
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This is what done by intermediate pass intellectualls because they are having 100 % contol over the province .
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There are credible reports that "america/india/and afghanistan" balochistan mein interference kar rahay hein.
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really? where? even your pm withdrew his claims abt a dossier
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knock knock! is anyone in there?
Brahmin New Delhi? The PM is a Sikh, Sonia Gandhi is Christian, Anthony is Christian ....Mayavathi is Dalit.....I can go on about the powerful.
Quite idiotic and ill-informed for anyone to claim New Delhi is Brahmin - but Snowy Winter has only one thought when faced with any ailment of Pakistan and that is to blame India.
This is the fifth topic about Pakistan where having run out of anything to say, he tries to distract by bringing India in.
Who do you think you are kidding ? Giving these people token seats whereas the real decision are done by the powerful brahmin establishment. You are really naive to say this.
However, if you DO follow this childish logic then Zardari, the president of Pakistan is a Baloch. Now I am sure you won't have any argument for that except for the same old childish indian dream that Balochistan separates.
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l really? where? even your pm withdrew his claims abt a dossier
And where is you "credible" evidence of the involvement of ISI in Kashmir ?
