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Inzamam-ul-Haq’s ban could lead to Asian breakaway from ICC

LONDON: The prestigious newspaper ‘The Times’ chief cricket correspondent, Christopher Martin Jenkins, says the Pakistan cricket team captain Inzamam-ul-Haq’s disciplinary hearing is going to be “somewhat unprecedented”.

Writing on latest developments in The Oval controversy with postponement of Inzamam’s disciplinary hearing, he says “In terms of rescheduling the hearing, it depends on when Ranjan Madugalle (ICC’s senior match referee) is available again after one of his relatives got ill”.

“The hearing is going to be somewhat unprecedented in which lawyers will be involved. Normally sides are represented by captains, coaches and players. Therefore, it is pure speculation as to say what will happen during proceedings,” he said.

“Lawyers were involved in the issue of Muttiah Muralitharan’s bowling action, but it was a different kind of case. It is not a bad thing if there is some distance to rescheduled date of hearing because remaining tour matches will be played and estimated loss of revenue to the ECB if Pakistan had withdrawn will now be averted,” he added.

“Inzamam-ul-Haq is likely to play. I think he received his punishment in fourth Test with forfeiture of the match. He may yet receive sanctions from the ICC if allegations of ball tampering are proven,” he told.

“The worst case scenario should Inzamam get a lengthy ban is a breakaway of the Asian block from the ICC. The Asian Cricket Council are a very powerful body mainly because of India’s dominance of global cricket market. They have a very strong influence on the sport and have threatened withdrawals in the past,” he revealed.

“If Inzamam is cleared of allegations of ball tampering, the ICC can absolve him with a clear conscience. There is not much doubt that he brought the game into disrepute by not returning with his team to the field. The most sensible action would be to warn him never to repeat those actions again, because he has already served his punishment with the loss of Test,” he explained.

“The ICC are likely to support Darrell Hair whatever the outcome is because he is one of their most experienced umpires. In terms of damage to his reputation, he is sure to umpire again, but ICC are likely to be careful where they place him,” he added.

Source: http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=21047

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I don’t know if you guys read this article on Crickinfo or not, it pretty much sums up how the situation should have been handled.

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A whiff of scandal whets the appetite
John Stern
August 24, 2006

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about, said Oscar Wilde. If cricket in England was feeling a bit faint after last summer then the past few days have provided a full-on oxygen mask of publicity.

Part of me feels reassured about cricket’s capacity to lead the BBC news and carry the front and back pages of the newspapers even in these circumstances. Social conditioning tells you to be outraged and appalled but who doesn¹t secretly enjoy a bit of scandal? Even people who were at The Oval last Sunday can dine out on being a bit-part in cricket history, once they’ve got their money back from Surrey and got over their indignation at not being told at the time what the flip was going on.

Where my secret enjoyment of cricket’s current infamy starts to dissipate is when I start to realise why the mainstream UK media are so fascinated with cricket scandals. It is not necessarily because they care about the game (football remains the sporting orthodoxy) but because of a continued obsession about cricket having some aspiration or obligation to a higher calling. It’s such tosh.

Cricket, and English cricket more than most, has fetishised the importance of the rules (sorry, Laws) to the detriment of playing exciting, entertaining and competitive cricket. My heart sank when I heard Robin Marlar, president of MCC, complaining about the amount of noise on the field of play in junior cricket. He wasn’t even talking about sledging, just the clapping and chatter of encouragement. Which century are we living in?

But back to the Oval. I’m wondering how this issue will come to be labelled by cricket history. It doesn’t seem to have a ready tag. ‘Bad Hair Day’ makes a nice headline but is more of a judgment than a description; “ball-tampering row” doesn’t quite do the job either because the row isn’t really about ball-tampering. Maybe something like “The Oval Opt-out”. Not exactly snappy but it is relevant. Both Inzamam and Darrell Hair opted out while the ICC seem to have been opting out all along.

So now we know why the ICC moved to Dubai: they needed more sand to stick their heads in. Malcolm Speed might have been on the phone to Hair on Sunday night but by then the damage was done. What was the match referee Mike Procter doing when the impasse happened in mid-afternoon? If he’s there to do anything then surely it is managing a crisis-point like that with sensitivity and common sense and getting the game back on. All this “them’s the rules” rubbish about the forfeiture is so infuriating and simply makes cricket look more complicated and arcane than it does the rest of the time.

Now we’re entering the “legal” phase of this dispute which will be thoroughly depressing and tedious. I cringed at the news that Pakistan had hired a hot-shot sports lawyer who had previously represented the FA Premier League. You can’t blame them but once the lawyers get involved, the chances of ever knowing the truth diminish fast. All sides will hide behind the cloak of legalese and we will all get very bored, very quickly. **The ICC seems to be run by and for lawyers. Everything is about regulations, processes and code of conduct hearings. **

Back in 1987 all we had was a hand-written apology scribbled on a scrap of paper by Mike Gatting to Shakoor Rana. Them were the days.

Cricinfo

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i recently read that this controversey has caused Hair's autobiography to fly off the shelves.

that sucks.

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"This is between ICC and Darrell Hair. It doesn't concern us. Our biggest issue is that we want to play in front of British crowds and we decided that at 9.30 this morning. He [Hair] backed out of what he said to the ICC, the offer. He says one thing and then another. What he is thinking and how it will affect us I do not know."
Pakistan team manager, Zaheer Abbas


I sincerely hope this spineless man learns to keep his trap shut, if he doesn't know what to say atleast don't say it at all! While anyone with a 'little' bit of common sense would know what goes in their favour and what not, this man is just too timid and blind to see what is just so obvious!

I think uncle Abbas you should just stick to tv commercials of family planning !

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Spot on:D

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he is the manager of Pakistani team and he cant be blunt…he has to keep all the doors open!

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**‘ICC had to reveal Hair’s e-mail’](http://www.ibnlive.com/cricket/icc-had-to-reveal-hairs-email/19784-5.html)
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Akanksha Banerjee / CNN-IBN

Aug 26, 2006 at 15 : 49

London: The ball-tampering controversy took an unexpected turn on Friday with the ICC revealing that umpire Darrell Hair offered to quit in return for $500,000.

In an exclusive interview, CNN-IBN’s Akanksha Banerjee asked ICC Chief Executive Malcolm Speed for his take and the reason he made Hair’s e-mail public. CNN-IBN asked him why details of Hair’s e-mail were disclosed.

Malcolm Speed: We are in a difficult position, but once the e-mails were in our possession, if we form the view that they were potentially material to the issues between the ICC and the Pakistan Cricket Board and Pakistan’s captain Inzamam-ul-Haq, we are under a legal duty to disclose them. Our other alternative was simply to cover them up and destroy them. I wasn’t prepared to do that, I wouldn’t expect anyone to do that.

Akanksha Banerjee: What is expected to come out of Saturday’s meeting, and what is really on the agenda? Is it only the hearing date or what else is on the agenda next week?

Malcolm Speed: The agenda is that we will report to the board, I expect that it will be the ICC President Mr (Percy) Sonn, David Richardson the Cricket Manager and myself. We will report to the board about this incident, what has happened and we will seek the board’s adive as to how we should go forward. I don’t quite know how far that will go. But we need to obtain some legal advice for the course of the week. We will obtain the best legal advice that’s available and we’ll move forward.

Akanksha Banerjee: Finally, your thoughts on the fact that Pakistan have agreed to play the rest of the series. Is it a relief, or how close were we to having the whole tour cancelled? And then, what happened to them in the last minute that made them change their mind?

Malcolm Speed: I think the decision was probably made yesterday that they were going to go ahead with the series. I’m very pleased that it will happen. I think that there have been a lot of over reactions about this issue and a lot of thigs have been blown out of proportion. I would have liked to have seen all this being managed very differently in a number of respects. I am delighted that we haven’t had another reaction, I hope we have a great series. I wouldn’t offer any opinion as to who I would like to see winning. But I hope it’s a great series and I look forward to seeing the results next week.

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From Cricinfo - Excerpts from the Original

Dar defends Hair's original decision

Osman Samiuddin

August 26, 2006

Aleem Dar, one of two Pakistani umpires on the ICC's Elite Panel, has said that Pakistan's decision to protest and stay off the field on the fourth day of the fourth Test at the Oval last week, was wrong and may harm the game in the long-term.

*But Dar told Cricinfo: "By law Pakistan was wrong. There are other ways of protesting and the avenue they chose I believe was the wrong one."
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"The problem is that if one country attempts it, then others will follow and that cannot be good for the game in the long-run," Dar said.

**Dar also argued that the spotlight has unfairly focused on Hair, after the Test became the first in the history of the game to be forfeited. "It is not about one umpire. It can't be about just one. Both umpires and even those off the field are involved. Those decisions on ball tampering and the forfeit were not taken by Hair alone."

"There doesn't seem to be video evidence but we must remember that no evidence is required.** It could be that Pakistan is right and they didn't do anything but as an umpire that is your decision."

Dar was *understandably * reluctant to talk of Hair's attitude and the subsequent revelation that he had offered to resign in return for a US$500,000 pay-off. He did suggest, however, that the whole situation - from the ball tampering penalty to the eventual forfeit - might have been handled differently by other umpires. "It's important to remember the decisions themselves weren't wrong. But it depends on your personality how you handle it. It could've been handled better by another umpire."

Dar is regarded by many to be the second best umpire in the world behind the Australian Simon Taufel. But if the last week has posed any sort of dilemma at all for him - torn between his profession and his country - then he's not letting on.

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^^ :smack:

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tell us something new yawn

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"There doesn't seem to be video evidence but we must remember that no evidence is required. It could be that Pakistan is right and they didn't do anything but as an umpire that is your decision."
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then the law is lame and needs a revisit, the laws are probably to cover those games where media is not involved i.e. county games, but if an umpire wants to claim that someone is tampering the ball then either he should provide evidence; if no evidence available the umpire should shut the fk up and keep the game going.

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Dar was *understandably **reluctant to talk of **Hair's attitude *
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You know, if Hair had better attitude and had his ears open there may not have been this problem.

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**Dubai meeting could overrule Hair’s decision **

Lawrence Booth
Saturday August 26, 2006
The Guardian

Malcolm Speed, the chief executive of the International Cricket Council, said the game’s ruling body would take legal advice on the crucial question of whether it can over-rule Darrell Hair’s decision to penalise Pakistan for ball-tampering at
The Oval six days ago.

The issue will also be discussed at a meeting of the chairmen of the 10 full-member nations of the ICC in Dubai a week today, opening up the possibility that the Pakistan captain, Inzamam-ul-Haq, may yet have the two charges hanging over him, for ball-tampering and bringing the game into disrepute, dropped. “We will obtain the best legal advice we can obtain over the next week about the impact of today’s issue,” said Speed. "We also need some advice about the power of the executive board to in effect overturn a properly laid Code of Conduct charge by an umpire.

“The president of the ICC, Percy Sonn, has called next week’s meeting so that the chairmen of the cricket-playing countries can come together and discuss the issue, and so that we can explain where we are up to and discuss how to move forward. A decision will be made then as to how we will proceed. This has become a big issue, an international issue, and there are all sorts of ramifications that have occurred that we wish hadn’t occurred.”

Following the disclosure that Hair had offered to stand down from the ICC’s panel of elite umpires for a one-off payment of $500,000 (£265,000), Speed said he had a long meeting yesterday with the Australian umpire in which his future was discussed. “Darrell Hair has been in a difficult position since Sunday and as a result of this disclosure that position has been made more difficult,” said Speed, who insisted that Hair’s request, sent in an email to the ICC’s umpires and referees manager, Doug Cowie, had to be revealed for legal reasons.

I said to Darrell today that while this was a serious issue, that he is not sacked, he is not suspended and he has not been charged. I also said to him that there was no guarantee that each of those three positions would be made indefinitely.

Speed’s last point might well be the most significant as far as Hair’s future is concerned. Given the damage to the game since the scandal erupted six days ago, the ICC might reach the conclusion that it will be easiest for all concerned if Hair never stands in another international again. But these are early days and Speed - a lawyer himself - went to great lengths not to open himself up to any charges that he might be jumping the gun.

The Pakistan camp last night were expressing confidence that Speed’s revelation meant they would have a better chance of overturning the allegations of ball-tampering that have threatened to bring a premature end to their tour. Shaharyar Khan, the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, claimed that Inzamam’s case - assuming it goes ahead - would now be heard in London by the Sri Lankan match referee Ranjan Madugalle, Pakistan’s preferred choice, on September 15, five days after the one-day series ends.

“We feel we can argue that the charge will be overturned,” Shaharyar said. “We have felt that from the beginning - it is the reason the team was so upset. The team has worked hard on changing its image and this has ruined that. But let’s see what developments take place over the next few days.”

Almost forgotten amid the chaos last night was the fact that Pakistan’s tour will now continue as planned. The players left their Heathrow hotel for Bristol, the venue of Monday evening’s Twenty20 international, at 1.30pm yesterday, and will fulfil the five one-day internationals that follow. That will be a relief to the England and Wales Cricket Board, despite the fact they had lined up a World XI to play in Monday’s match and West Indies to step in for the one-day series.

In the longer term, the possibility that Inzamam may now escape the two charges may prevent disruption of the two one-day tournaments coming up. It is not inconceivable that a guilty verdict - certainly with regard to the ball-tampering charge - would have persuaded Inzamam to skip the ICC Champions Trophy, beginning in October, in retaliation. After that, Pakistan’s participation at the World Cup might have been under threat, too.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/englandpakistan2006/story/0,1858670,00.html

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Darrell Hair not welcome in county cricket either

LONDON, Aug 27, 2006 (PTI)

Controversial umpire Darrell Hair now finds himself out of favour in English domestic cricket as well with the Players’ Association and some sections of ECB questioning his credibility to stand in county games.

The Australian official has gone from being seen as a respected umpire to a villain in less than a week after his actions led to the first ever forfeiture in Test cricket at The Oval and he later asked for a USD 500,000 payout to stand down from the Elite Panel.

The events have now prompted some members of the English cricket fraternity to wonder whether Hair, who lives in Lincolnshire, should be allowed to officiate on the county circuit next year, the ‘Sunday Times’ said.

Hair is on the England and Wales Cricket Board’s reserve list, and an umpires’ spokesman told the newspaper that he would be considered for promotion to the full 25-man panel after the current season ends on September 24.

But an ECB member questioned whether such a move would be appropriate for English cricket.

**“Darrell Hair has no credibility left,” he said. “I can’t see him being welcomed at county games. I’m not sure other umpires would be happy standing with him. I expect he’ll become a celebrity umpire, trundled out to officiate in benefit matches and find the fielding side guilty of ball tampering.” The Professional Cricketers’ Association has also come out openly in this case.
** :omg: (aur looo panga.. te panga never changa :wink: ) :hehe:

“In the short term, we think it would be inappropriate for him to stand given that he is in a stressful situation and the focus should be on the cricket,” the association’s chief executive Richard Bevan said.

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aaaahhh … last week jitna khoon jala tha , uss ka double last 3 din main wapus aa gaya hai and I am gaining extra ponds ! :slight_smile:

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Hair trigger for drama which became a crisis
By Mike Atherton
(Filed: 27/08/2006)

Your View: The right decision?
In pics: Oval Test erupts | Timeline of row
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At least Malcolm Speed, the chief executive of the International Cricket Council, got one thing absolutely right. At the beginning of the most explosive and jaw-dropping press conference that I can remember he said that the whole episode was due to a series of "entirely avoidable and unnecessary over-reactions". This is not the biggest crisis that cricket has ever faced. It is not even the biggest crisis that cricket has faced in the last decade - match-fixing, the greatest possible fraud on the paying public, was a far graver threat to the game - and, in time, people will look back in amazement at how one little pimple was allowed to grow and fester into a boil that finally burst at Friday's press conference, spreading puss all over the game.

Hair's midweek madness gifted the ICC with a convenient way out of the impasse that threatened to engulf the one-day series against England and Pakistan and, by extension, the wider international game. By releasing the details of three private e-mails that Hair sent to his employers in the early part of last week - the first proposing a payment of $500,000 with conditions attached, the second, more sinister e-mail, holding the ICC to ransom for a "revised amount", and the third which revoked the two earlier e-mails and cheerily hoped that life would "go on regardless" - the ICC were able to lay responsibility for the whole sorry mess at the feet of one man.

Speed may have couched Hair's assassination in a caring, paternal tone, arguing that the umpire sent the e-mails at a time of great mental turmoil, and that there was no malicious intent involved, but it was, ultimately, a calculating and brutal act of self-preservation from an organisation noted more for their lawyerly rigidity (think back to the Zimbabwe furore) than their humanity. The events of last Sunday at the Oval are now likely to be forgotten as Hair's madness takes centre stage. The most likely result of it all - though making predictions is a fool's game in the present climate - is that the meeting of the ICC's executive committee in Dubai will dismiss Hair from their employment and subsequently the hearing against Inzamam-ul-Haq is likely to be concluded in Pakistan's favour.

It is a rough kind of justice on Hair, but justice nonetheless because if there is one man who could have stopped this episode from escalating it is him. If a more sensitive, pragmatic and less dogmatic umpire had been standing alongside Billy Doctrove then the full house at the Oval, and millions watching around the world, would have been allowed to enjoy a splendid contest reaching its natural conclusion. The day before Hair sent his e-mails to the ICC he told the Brisbane Courier Mail that he stood by his actions at the Oval. I bet he wishes he could now jump back in time and revisit the decision to charge Pakistan with ball tampering, applying a little more of the wisdom and humanity he might have subsequently hoped for from his employers.

So let us revisit that afternoon at the Oval, the point of origin of the whole affair - the first entirely avoidable and unnecessary over-reaction. For nothing that I have seen, heard or read in the interim - not the apologists for Hair who sprang up midweek, nor the conspiracy theorists who fretted over whether Duncan Fletcher did or did not see the match referee, nor those who slammed Pakistan for their undoubtedly disproportionate response - has convinced me of anything other than the whole sorry mess was caused by the crassest and most insensitive piece of umpiring I have ever seen. By applying the law to the letter, Hair enslaved us all to the rule book instead of allowing us to enjoy the fascinating contest between bat and ball that was so clearly developing.

Despite the subsequent threats in his e-mails to take civil action against the Pakistan team, I do not believe Hair to be biased against the sub-continental teams. I believe that he tries to do his difficult job without fear or favour. But I also believe that he made a catastrophic error of judgment last Sunday. It wasn't inevitable that his grand gesture would lead to the first ever forfeiture of a Test match, but it was inevitable that the accusation of ball tampering against Pakistan would dominate that day, and days to come, to the exclusion of everything else.

Why? Because of the complex history between these two teams - the undercurrent of empire and race that has always added a certain tension to the confrontation - and because both these teams, especially Pakistan, have previous where ball tampering is concerned. In short: because of the context within which a modern-day England-Pakistan series is played. Hair's action and, in my opinion, his over-reaction, paid no heed to anything other than the moment, midway through the afternoon, when he saw what appeared to him to be unusual marks on the ball. His decision was blinkered, it was narrow-minded and, in good time, I have no doubt that it will be considered to have been plainly wrong.

Let us for a moment assume that Hair was right and that the ball had been tampered with. If so, it is surely fair for us to assume that the misdemeanour was relatively minor. How so? The umpires inspected the ball 15 minutes earlier, at the fall of the previous wicket, and must have been satisfied with its condition. Sky Sports have scoured footage of the intervening 15 minutes and can find no evidence of tampering. Granted, television should not be used as judge and jury (though it is ironic, given last week's events, that 12 years ago a certain England captain was hauled up before the beak on television evidence alone when both umpires insisted that the ball's condition had not been changed) but it is inconceivable that the cameras would not have picked up anything major.

Moreover, it is becoming increasingly likely that Hair cannot have seen anything being done to the ball. How so? Because, until Friday, the ICC had not asked Sky Sports, the host broadcaster, for any footage to be used in the hearing as evidence and because no Pakistani individual, except the captain-cum-scapegoat, had been cited for tampering. It is therefore highly likely that Hair saw marks which concerned him and that he presumed that those marks had been caused by tampering. What a presumption to make!

Let us continue to assume, then, that tampering of the most minor kind - a scratch here, a scratch there - had occurred. You now have a choice. Do you rigidly uphold the letter of the law or do you recognise that a full house and millions around the world are enjoying a fascinating game and take the more pragmatic approach. I hope that you, like me, would take Inzamam quietly aside, register your concerns, ask him to relay those concerns to his team and ask him to put a stop to it. (That no conversation between Hair and Inzamam occurred before Hair changed the match ball was confirmed by Bob Woolmer). If it continued, you would knock politely on the Pakistan team's dressing-room door during the tea interval and ask them to stop again. If it continued after tea then, and only then, would you put your traffic warden's hat on.

I used the analogy of the traffic warden - the type who slaps a ticket on your windscreen 20 seconds after your time has run out - at the time on television. It provoked a response from a viewer that, while detesting the actions of the warden, most people would simply grumble a bit and then get on with life, rather than beat the warden to a pulp, which was the analogous over-reaction from Pakistan. True enough. But if that ticket resulted in a permanent criminal record, with all the attendant problems and damage to your reputation that it caused, then I reckon most people would look to take the matter further.

So did Inzamam. The rest, as they say, is history.

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My feedback on Cricinfo

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Manjrekar seems to have totally lost it!

Its preposterous to even suggest that Younis take over in mid-match – esp. considering Pakistan’s current outfit that owes its unity and harmony to Inzamam. The skipper took stance on behalf of the whole team, and if he didn’t want to take the field, I can surely say that no one from the team would have.

Secondly, it is ridiculous to provide an analogy to a walkout on an LBW decision… whereas that decision was simply a ruling that affected an individual in the course of the game, this current day episode constitutes a sweeping decree over a team’s conduct – the allegation of “cheating” affects the emotional sentiments of all the players involved.

Mr. Manjrekar has gone bonkers and needs to be superannuated to save what little is left of his brain.

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^^ Hahahah, great response.

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‘Pakistan muzzled in tampering row’

See the article in full:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/5313352.stm

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‘Speed issues warning to Inzamam’
Article from cricinfo:
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engvpak/content/current/story/258610.html

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Ball was not tampered with: Waqar Younis

PAKISTAN’S bowling coach Waqar Younis has seen the ball at the centre of the ball-tampering saga and insists it shows no signs of illegal alteration.

Should Younis’ observations prove accurate, next week’s hearing into ball-tampering charges against Inzamam-ul-Haq, first brought by umpires Darrell Hair and Billy Doctrove, could descend into farce.

If, as Younis insists, the 56-overs-old ball shows no sign of having been tampered with, the Pakistan Cricket Board will have every right to vent its frustration over a case that has dragged the game and Inzamam, through the mud.

Speaking from his home in suburban Sydney yesterday, the former Test paceman revealed that, upon viewing the ball immediately after it was taken from the field, there were no signs of tampering.

“I went straight into the referee’s room and asked to see the ball,” Younis told The Age. “There was nothing wrong with it. I went and told the boys that I thought it was totally wrong … There were 30-odd cameras at the ground that didn’t see anything, so you would think that there had to be something wrong with the ball for Darrell to do what he did. But I promise, I saw the ball and there was nothing wrong with it.”

Inzamam will front a code-of-conduct hearing in London on Wednesday, charged with changing the condition of the ball and bringing the game into disrepute. If found guilty of both charges, the Pakistan captain could be suspended for a maximum of five Tests or 10 one-day internationals and fined.

Younis said it would be wrong for the ICC to announce Hair’s Champions Trophy appointment before Inzamam’s hearing. “They are basically saying that (Hair) is innocent. They should have waited until after the case. The reputations of both men are still hanging.”

SOURCE: Ball was not tampered with: Younis