Baitullah Mehsud dead:)

Anwer_Pasha · August 9, 2009, 8:37pm

Nidden is never a punjabi nationalest. And I again add. These all conciprators are from Pindi to Lahore route only. They don't represent Punjab and the looter have no relegeon or race.

Croquet · August 9, 2009, 11:33pm

Re: Baitullah Mehsud dead:)

vigoratus 40

aam_bandha · August 9, 2009, 11:43pm

Interesting read … guess this news media wants to cover all bases … so here is another article on the same events …

TTP in death spiral Fraticidal battle a death knell to RAW agents

Written by Satinder Singh Local, Pakistan, Politics Aug 10, 2009
Mixed reports from Waziristan are clouding the picture. After being wiped out from swat by the Pakistan Army, the TTP leadership took refuge in Waziristan. Surrounded by the armed forces on one side, the high mountains on the other, it was holed up in the nooks and crannies of FATA. There was no refuge, because they were hunted by the pro-Pakistani Mehsud and Wazir tribesmen. A bounty on the head of Bait Mehsud made matters worse for Pakistan’s enemy number one. Pakistan satellites, and AWACS were monitoring his every move and every phone call. The Indian Raw agents identified in the Indian Consulates were sending the TTP escape routes and positions of the Pakistan army. The Americans were putting pressure on the other side of the Durand Line.
In the end, Bait Mehsuds luck ran out. The Pakistanis had been putting pressure on the Americans to track him. Finally, the CIA relented, and sent a Reaper tracking him. The Pakistani ears on the ground gave the exact coordinates of Mr. Bait Mehsud’s vehicle.
The Reaper with Pakistani help tracked the SUV. Bait Mehsud had 4o of his followers around him. That made him easier to track. He shows up at his relatives home–that was a lethal mistake. His relatives had was being monitored by the hawk-eyes from the air and the moles on the ground. The exact location was relayed to the ISI. The ISI was in touch with the Reaper monitors.
The signal came with 95% confirmation of Bait Mehsud. The hellfire missile was fired. It went through the SUV, to the house where Mr. Mehsud was. The missiles struck. Mr. Mehsud was seen getting hit, along with 40 of his closest advisers, including the head of the suicide bombing cell.
Mr. Mehsuds body was seen with his head destroyed.
commander of Abdullah Mehsud Group, Haji Turkistan Beetani has said that Baitullah Mehsud along with his forty associates was killed in the missile attack, while Hakimullah Mehsud and Mufti Waliur Rahman died in ‘shoora’ meeting feud leading to cross firing.
Talking to Geo News, Abdullah Mehsud Group commander, Haji Turkistan Beetani said that Baitullah Mehsud accompanied by his forty stalwarts was killed in missile attack in the night between Tuesday and Wednesday. He was buried in his house.
Betani said that Mufti Waliur Rahman and commander Hakimullah Mehsud later died in a row over the selection of a new Amir succeeding Baitullah Mehsud in shoora meeting, which flared into fierce clash and cross firing.
He said that the suicide attack mastermind commander, Qari Hussain is grievously injured. Haji Turkistan said that Baitullah Mehsud and his companions worked for the destruction of the country, but the backbone of this group has broken. Differences among the members of Baitullah Mehsud group intensifying. Baitullah, Hakimullah, Wali killed: Turkistan Beetani. Updated at: 1110 PST, Sunday, August 09, 2009, Good riddance to bad rubbish.
After the death of Mr. Mehsud his second in commands tried to come to some sort of succession consensus. Details are fuzzy, but some reports say that Pakistani moles within the TTP fired one one side, which elicited a response from the other. In the end, both successors were dead.
The TTP is in total disarray, their most charismatic leaders have bitten the dust, and the factions will continue to fight among themselves. The Pakistan Army lies in wait. The lashkar of Turkistan Beetani will be fishing in troubled waters, buying loyalties and eliminating the hard core of the TTP.
A massive army presence keep the TTP out of Swat. Waziristan is already surrounded. If the pro-Pakistani lashkar needs help, the Army will be providing them with arms, and equipment. If need be the Pakistan Army will come in. However it wants to avoid going into Waziristan.
The bottom line is that the RAW machinations in Swat and Waziristan have been thwarted. The TTP has reached the end of the trail. It has met the end, like the LTTE met its end in Sri Lanka. Moin Ansari

TTP in death spiral Fraticidal battle a death knell to RAW agents | Pakistan Daily: The Pakistan News Agency

niden · August 10, 2009, 1:31am

khoji bhai I am not a Punjabi nationalist. Read my posts again.
I was born, educated in Karachi. So by default I am a Sindhi:). Defninitely not a member of any cult organization. I have seen Karachi of yester years which could be compared to any city of a developed country at that time. Now karachi has become biggest slum and safest haven for criminals. Are you denying this?

mercenary2k · August 10, 2009, 7:11am

vigoratus:

CIA Stunned – Americans Led To Strike Wrong Target.

The drone strike that resulted in the death of Pakistan’s most wanted terrorist is believed to be a result of deliberately planted false intelligence, sources in South Waziristan have confirmed.
Rival militants close to Qari Zainullah Mehsud (who was killed on Baitullah Mehsud’s orders) tipped off suspected local CIA informers about the presence of a ‘high value afghan taliban target’ in a house in South Waziristan.
Qari Zainuddin, a former aide of Baitullah Mehsud, had denounced Baitullah Mehsud in June this year and had revealed Mehsud’s links with Indian and Israeli intelligence agencies. Zainuddin was gunned down in his office the next day and Baitullah Mehsud claimed responsibility for the killing.
In what appears to be an attempt to extract revenge by those loyal to Qari Zainuddin, false intelligence was deliberately fed to a number of local residents suspected of working as informers for the Americans in Afghanistan. Hours later, a CIA operated drone guided by a physically dropped electronic homing device, attacked and destroyed the house which the Americans believed was occupied by Anti-US Afghan Taliban.
The CIA has been paying tribesman in Waziristan “plant the electronic devices” near militant safehouses, reported the Guardian on June 1st this year. “Hours or days later, a drone, guided by the signal from the chip, destroys the building with a salvo of missiles.”
This isn’t the first time an electronic homing device has led the Americans to strike a wrong target. The Guardian’s report continues:
Word of these tiny transmitters has been circulating in militant circles for months. In early April, the Pakistani Taliban leader Mullah Nazir said he had caught “spies” who were inserting into militants’ phones “location-tracking SIMs” — Subscriber Identity Module cards, used to identify mobile devices on a cellular network.
Ten days later, 19 year-old Habibur Rehman made a videotaped “confession” of planting such devices, just before he was executed by the Taliban as an American spy. “I was given $122 to drop chips wrapped in cigarette paper at Al Qaeda and Taliban houses,” he said. If I was successful, I was told, I would be given thousands of dollars.”
But Rehman says he didn’t just tag jihadists with the devices. “The money was good so I started throwing the chips all over. I knew people were dying because of what I was doing, but I needed the money,” he added. Which raises the possibility that the unmanned aircraft — America’s key weapons in its covert war on Pakistan’s jihadists and insurgents — may have been lead to the wrong targets.
The ‘wrong target’ for the Americans on this occasion has turned out to be the right one for the Pakistanis, who have seen a violent rise in suicide attacks and assasinations in recent years, most of which had been tracked backed to Baitullah Mehsud’s Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan.
Pakistani security officials have long complained about the Americans’ choice of targets.
Various reports have also surfaced in recent months disclosing the extent of support Baitullah Mehsud received from India and Israel, using Afghanistan as a base for training and arming anti-Pakistan terrorists. US army and NATO issued rifles and communication equipment has been seized from captured militants and TTP safehouses, and captured terrorists have often spoken of training by Indian nationals in Afghanistan.
The Americans were concentrating on Taliban and Qaeda forces that attack American and coalition troops in Afghanistan but were ignoring militants operating in Pakistan, a senior Pakistani official in the administration that oversees the tribal region told TIME Magazine last year.
“The Americans are not interested in our bad guys,” the official said, referring in particular to Baitullah Mehsud.
Other sources within the Pakistani intelligence community firmly believe that Baitullah Mehsud was being protected by US Drones, warning him of Pakistan Army’s action and movement in advance.
It appears the Americans have finally heeded to the long-standing demand of the Pakistani security services, even if unintentionally.

EXCLUSIVE: Drone Strike Not Meant For Mehsud | Pakistan Daily: The Pakistan News Agency

:chai:

Basically this article is written is to keep the conspiracy Pakis happy.

America killed Meshud but he was killed accidentally and thus America-Meshud-Jews-Israel-Mossad-CIA-RAW-India are allied againt Pakistan.

Pakistanis need to understand that they are not as innocent as they would like to think they are. They are the ones who created this mess and blaming their typical boogey men is not going to get them anywhere.

ehsan · August 10, 2009, 7:24am

Get your facts right. It was not Pakistan who invaded Afghanistan, US did and after 7 years are still struggling to get it right.

Croquet · August 10, 2009, 7:49am

Re: Baitullah Mehsud dead:)

^aww i believe you hurt his feelings.

Captain1 · August 10, 2009, 1:45pm

aray ehsan bhai, Pakistan also created mess in Iraq… don’t you see?

Raj_ind · August 10, 2009, 1:58pm

Hmmmmmm, Kuffar US did invade Afganistan and devastated the country. Was Muslim Pakistan hand in glove with US in their misdeed/Genocide?

Captain1 · August 10, 2009, 2:44pm

I didn't know Pakistan joined US in invading Afghanistan, thanks for enlightenment.

mo293 · August 10, 2009, 4:13pm

And in India,

JaanBaazz · August 10, 2009, 4:51pm

True, we actually "invaded" Afghanistan in 1994 and after 7-years our proxies allowed the largest provocation in history against the sole superpower in 2001. Our "adventure" also led to a proliferation of armed jihadis and "talibans" all over our own country, suicide bombing sprees and a general bad name for Pakistan and Pakistanis all over the world.

We have some vital interests in neighboring lands, but playing games like superpowers is not within our capabilities.

US can cut and run and feel only minor reactions, but any price we will pay for our games will be major and consequential.

mercenary2k · August 10, 2009, 6:31pm

And why did US invade Afghanistan? After Al Qaeda terrorists killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. This country had become a breeding ground for terrorists.

Where Pakistan failed miserably is to realize that they can still control these guys and let them take over Afghanistan again once USA leaves.

The reason for US struggles is many but if it were not for the sanctuaries in Pakistan and all the top echelon of taliban and al qaeda leadership based there, the situation would be much calmer.

_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah · August 10, 2009, 6:47pm

Re: Baitullah Mehsud dead:)

Mehsud left enough proof during his reign that he is a CIA agent.

vigoratus · August 10, 2009, 6:54pm

Find Iraq’s WMD and you’ll find Al-CIAeda and the rest

_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah · August 10, 2009, 7:07pm

When did USA invade Afghanistan? The last I remembered, more than half of it was still under Taliban control.

Why they did it? Many reasons:

containment of China
denuclearizing Pakistan
resuming opium production
building CAS pipeline to Arabian Sea, through Afghanistan

I think the US was well on its way in acheiving these objectives.

Now lets look at the results of their partial occupation:

whole region destabilized
Afghanistan in ruins, worse condition
Taliban ruling more than half the country
opium production in full swing (remember the Golden Triad?)
new excuses developed (i.e. Pakistani nukes are not safe; do you remember how hard they tried to stop Pakistan from attaining the N-bomb? or were you too young back then?)
Bin Laden forgotten

The proof that CIA came up with, regarding Al-Qaeda links to the 9/11 attacks are 100x more ridiculous than any conspiracy theory. Only fools like you and the American public would be willing to believe that out of hundreds of thousands of tons of debris (at ground zero), they were able to find passports of al-qaeda members.

Taliban were in control of Afghanistan for a long time, and the US did nothing. In fact, the Bush administration explicitly admitted live on TV (when they attained power) that these guys are not a threat to the US. So when did they become a problem? Lets take a look at these statistics:

Taliban exterminated the poppy crop in 2001, bringing its production to a grinding halt (sounds congruous to the Qing dynasty doesn’t it?); immediately after, the US invaded the country (remember the Anglo-Chinese wars?), and the following year, production was in full swing again (Tianjin repeated).

mercenary2k · August 11, 2009, 12:15am

He apparently also left enough proof that he was a Jew

mercenary2k · August 11, 2009, 12:16am

No need. Al Qaeda are based in the Tribal Areas.

mercenary2k · August 11, 2009, 12:18am

Religion or Science

When did USA invade Afghanistan? The last I remembered, more than half of it was still under Taliban control.

Why they did it? Many reasons:

containment of China

denuclearizing Pakistan

resuming opium production

building CAS pipeline to Arabian Sea, through Afghanistan

I think the US was well on its way in acheiving these objectives.

Now lets look at the results of their partial occupation:

whole region destabilized

Afghanistan in ruins, worse condition

Taliban ruling more than half the country

opium production in full swing (remember the Golden Triad?)

new excuses developed (i.e. Pakistani nukes are not safe; do you remember how hard they tried to stop Pakistan from attaining the N-bomb? or were you too young back then?)

Bin Laden forgotten

The proof that CIA came up with, regarding Al-Qaeda links to the 9/11 attacks are 100x more ridiculous than any conspiracy theory. Only fools like you and the American public would be willing to believe that out of hundreds of thousands of tons of debris (at ground zero), they were able to find passports of al-qaeda members.

Taliban were in control of Afghanistan for a long time, and the US did nothing. In fact, the Bush administration explicitly admitted live on TV (when they attained power) that these guys are not a threat to the US. So when did they become a problem? Lets take a look at these statistics:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42425000/gif/_42425494_opium_prod_203.gif

Taliban exterminated the poppy crop in 2001, bringing its production to a grinding halt (sounds congruous to the Qing dynasty doesn’t it?); immediately after, the US invaded the country (remember the Anglo-Chinese wars?), and the following year, production was in full swing again (Tianjin repeated).

bla bla bla…keep leeching onto to your conspiracy nonsense

You sound as absurd as the Birthers who claim that Obama was not born in USA.

vigoratus · August 11, 2009, 1:48am

Just like Iraq's WMD were based in Baghdad and Kirkut? ;)

He who denies there being a second perspective is a conspiracy theorist himself. You know they say "If you don't follow the 'official explanation' you're a conspiracy nut"...so how credible has the "official story" proven to be in the past 8 years? Every thing from White House/Pentagon has been spot on, hasn't it? Please tell me they're withdrawing troops from Iraq because WMD have been found and secured? :)