Re: Atheism
Peace kprasad
To Muslims Truth and Deity is not differentiated. You talk about retrofitting the length of a day, but this only shows that you do not know the history of the term “yawm” in Arabic … Where there are several scriptural references that show that idea of “yawm” is not necessarily a 24 hour period, but indeed “a period of time” then this should suggest there is no retrofitting.
You see even after I invoke Definition 4 from your given list of definitions of “scientific” you still feel it necessary to state “Science” they are not … My claim is that “faith” needn’t be totally baseless … and religion is not the culmination of opinions without evidence. In fact we have terms for certain areas of study within Islam they are called “sciences” … For example the “sciences of fiqh”, “sciences of theology”, “sciences of perfecting character”.
None of these are “science in scriptures” - All of these are developed by masters in those areas through time and taught to students …
The fact that any of these “sciences” require the belief in God does not deem them “unscientific” - none of your definitions say that “a science requires God to be out of the equation” …
Let me clarify about my belief in scriptures once again … I believe them to hold truth in a manner that stands the test of time. The Qur’an I believe is the Uncreated Word of The Deity - Absolute Truth … I trust you see this is a belief … However, the Qur’an asks from us to test it and asks from us things to ponder about. Science does not come from the Qur’an, but whenever established science comes about it is amazing conformance with the Qur’an. I don’t believe evolution to be established science, rather I take it as a rival belief system to Creation.
Anyway I don’t want to hamper on about religion yet … I want to bring the discussion back to post #106 .
The thesis of this thread is very misleading. It conflates Atheism with scientific pursuits. I don’t know, for all intents and purposes, anything about Islam. It’s not a topic I can, nor wish, to debate.