Army Op in FATA

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Originally posted by Zakk: *
**The term collective punishment is a politically correct way of targetting whole families fr the actions of an individual. the only country I know of which does does the same is Israel.
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This is truly a shameful statement. What is the difference in the actions of Pakistan versus Israel if both governments are attacking civilians ? When the US was blowing up shepherd families in Basra, and Afghan peasant families around Kabul, the WA Forum exploded with indignant responses. i just saw Zakk's thread in one of the image forums re: children with injuries due to these operations. When a child loses their eyesight, they don't necessarily gain any comfort from knowing that it was at the hands of a Pakistani, rather than an American, soldier that they lost their eyes.

It's despicable whether the individual undertaking the military action is Pakistani, Afghan, Israeli or American. The indignation and the shame should be the same.

12 troops killed in an ambush in Waziristan. This new adventure of Mushy the dictator can cost Pakistan a pretty penny. I wonder how far this dictator can go to please Bush.

Meanwhile. the real terrorists have esacped

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^ the "real terrorists", hmmm.

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*Originally posted by Malik73: *

I am sure the same sources say that about Al Qaida and the Taliban terrorising the Afghan people as well, but you are reluctant to believe them. There has been many, many a testimony to the brutality in Afghanistan, yet you have chosen to ignore all that, because you don't regard those sources as "authentic" yet will turn round and use those same sources to do down the Pakistani army. What double standards.
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When you can go ask people yourself and see things with your own eyes, then what other source do you need?

Do you want me to post your comments on the Israeli bombings here and compare how you condemn the Israelis but on the other hand support the Pakistani Army for similar acts?

Talk about having double standards.

If you do have "authentic" information about the Taliban intentionally targeting innocent people, please do share it here.

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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
^ the "real terrorists", hmmm.

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Lol!!!
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FYI, this is from a Chechen site.

**Pakistan: lies about Chechens continue **

BBC still keeps reporting about some Chechens allegedly fighting in Northern Pakistan against the armed formations of General Musharraf. Even though the Chechen side has refuted the BBC reports many times, and even though not a single Chechen, dead or alive, has ever been presented to the world, the Western media, especially FoxNews, BBC and Radio Liberty, keep reporting about alleged Chechen groups fighting in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Last Sunday BBC had several discrepant reports about Chechens, referring to the Pakistani command. First the reports claimed that some top ‘Chechen militant’ was in charge of a group of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in that area, and that Al-Qaeda was allegedly guarding that Chechen leader. But nobody could ever confirm that statement, and the reports started claiming that the Chechen could have broke out of the perimeter.

Then a totally different report came in: about capturing at least one Chechen. But several hours later a new report was received with reference to a Pakistani security official Mahmood Shah, chief of security for the area, who said that “two Chechens were killed Sunday trying to break through a tight military cordon”, but he failed to explain how the Pakistani side established ethnicity of those killed. Maybe they had passports on them, issued in Vedeno District of Chechnya, let’s say?

But this assumption contradicts another statement that the Pakistanis have made. The Pakistani command reported that over 100 Al-Qaeda members have been captured, and that there are Chechens among them:

“They are a mixed bag of locals, Chechens, Uzbeks, there could be Arabs, but since they do not carry any identification on them and there is no one to identify who is who, this can only be confirmed after interrogations”, military spokesman Maj. Gen Shaukat Sultan said, who is in command of the Pakistani troops in the combat zone.

So, they had no identification on them. But maybe before their death they had time to say who they were and ask the Pakistani generals to have their bodies shipped to the homeland and buried somewhere at the cemetery in Shali, Chechnya?

Meanwhile the Pakistani intelligence claims that Chechens were not killed, but are still fighting against the army. Pakistani intelligence even announced the names of the alleged Chechens who are fighting against the Pakistani military. There were two of them. According to Reuters, the Chechens are Daniar and Karan Ata. It would be better if the Pakistani intelligence kept these names secret, this way it would have had more room for propagandistic maneuvers and manipulations, because Chechens merely have never had such Tajik/Afghan names.