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**it only proves that the objective of the Taliban was to bring stability to Afghanistan.*
maybe sincere objectives, but bad execution, and then being taleban became fashionable, rather unsavory characters with their bloody hands became taleban as well, dinn they
You can not escape from the fact that the Taliban sincerely tried to implement Shariah and all that they did was ask for proof before they would accept news from fasiq's which is what Islam teaches us, and that is exactly what the US is to them, a fasiq, I don't need to go in detail to prove that, the Iraqi invasion, the WMD's.
chronologically speaking, WMD and Iraq war happened..after the 9/11 deal so unless taleban had a time machine that serves so no proof.
so taleban knew beforehand that US was a fasiq?
if so, why were they so eager to work with US during the war against the soviets, same people working with same people.
Lter they made trips to US to make deals for oil stuff. At that point they had no problems dealing with a fasiq? served their interests eh?
*Tell me what is it that Pakistani leaders have done which might prove that they are sincere Muslims? Nothing, in fact all that they have done only proves that they are doing what according to Islam is hypocrisy. *
Tell me what your beloved taleban did that was considered islamic? just banning music and this and that ? what else
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Bad execution? according to whom? You and the likes of you? A Muslim doesn't need to please or appease you, who are you to judge them anyway? Most importantly, what is the basis of your judgement? your own logic?
Do ponder over this a little, can you stand in front of Allah swt on the Day of Judgement and argue about the Taliban being wrong and yourself being right? What would be the basis of your argument? Musharraf's logic? Bush's logic?
There was no such thing as WMD's in Iraq, that could have been a "smoking gun" it was all a blatant lie.
I told you earlier, but nevertheless I shall repeat myself again, a Muslim obeys Allah swt, the mujahids were doing just that, it is you who believes that they were obeying the US, because it seems to me that you are under the impression that the mujahids were in Afghanistan only because the US supported them, that is not the case dear, you will find mujahids everywhere there is oppression against Muslims, with NO US support whatsoever.
If you believe that fighting the Soviets was only US's objective, then you are wrong too, because the mujahids wanted the Soviets out more than the US did, and it was'nt the mujahids who were eager to work with the US, but the US was eager to use the mujahids to achieve their objective.
What deal did they make with the US?
They must have made trips, what's unIslamic about accepting an invitation and visiting? This further proves that their intention was to bring stability to Afghanistan, most likely the deal was benefitting the selected few and not the population at large in Afghanistan, which they apparently rejected and that probably angered the US even more.
This also answers your question about serving their interests, if the Taliban had been selfish and considered the deal which according to you would have "served their interests" things would have been much different, but since they turned out to be selfless and sincere in bringing stability to Afghanistan, the US had no other option but to eliminate them to fulfill its objectives on getting the oil and stuff.
What is it that they didn't do that was Islamic? would be easier for me to answer, they were sincere in trying to apply the shareeah and they were doing all that they could, they also humbly submitted to advice from scholars who pointed out their mistakes in the light of Quran and Sunnah, they were still learning and making steady progress in bringing stability in the country, they eliminated opium production, civil life was steadily normalizing, what more could you ask for in a country which had been used as a battlefield for decades?
Now could you answer my question about what makes our so called "muslim" leaders of a so called "Islamic" republic of Pakistan, to be considered sincere Muslims?