Are you pleased with how Musharraf has handled the issue of Dr. AQ Khan?

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*Originally posted by Code_Red: *

Grow up. Try to see things in broader view.

He is not an ordinary person who could go anywhere and do any thing and no one will notice.The Agencies have detailed information of each and every move of every person related to these Sensetive Facilities.

So if he has done any thing then it is not posible without the consent of Army.
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Who said army did not know? Ofcouse army, isi and every sweeper knew he was upto all this mischief. What they did not know was he wad amassing personal wealth and building up an image of greatness. May be the greed can be understood as a human tendency but the image build-up is such a ...

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AQ Khan incident

What I find incredibly galling, is the the Government of Pakistan takes time and effort to respond to these accusations made by the US Government. We need to ignore their accusations and lay the real charges of criminal behaviour at their door. In my opinion we should tell the US Goverment in no uncertain terms, that the agency which needs invesitgation is the CIA P2OG division, which is nothing more than a bunch of government sanctioned murderers.
In the meantime, as long as the US has WMD they have no right to open their mouth on the topic. Particularly when they actively refuse to investigate the Israeli WMD programs, and when their CIA employees avoid prosecution for heinous crimes when they belligerently interfere with the International Court of Criminal Justice.
I have a problem with AQKhan assisting Iran because Iran has an avowed agenda to turn Pakistan into another Shia country with Ayatollahs as heads of state in Pakistan. Otherwise considering that the Los Alamos bomb project scientists handed the US nuclear bomb designs to the USSR, the USA has some nerve to go about pontificating to others about proliferation.

Quite honestly the US yelping about proliferation is a baldfaced attempt on their part to ensure that the only countyr with nuclear weapons is themselves. Given their tyrannical behaviour, much worse than anything King George ever did in the colonies, they must be the first to be disarmed of nuclear weapons.

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Bravo Dugga G clap :k:

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Well said Dugga,

What about America's profileration of nuclear and chemical technology to Israel, a nation which has the worst track record of breaking UN sanctions and not to mention a history of attacking other nations as well...Is there any accountability for them, or will we keep producing leaders who drop their pants everytime America wants to smell their behind...

Although, I don't really blame Musharraf either...With the precariousness that our Atomic program is going through, I think Musharraf has to be careful how he handles stuff until Pakistan truly acquires inter-continental capability...

We should open up bilateral relations with North Korea and acquire their technology and work to strengthen each other against the menace of America's brutal imperialism and destructive globalization...

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No,

We refuse to believe all of this was going on without musharrafs knowledge. Its the American Danda (which works very well on Musharraf), thats all.

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I,m sorry for going off topic but this clown makes me laugh!

Be thankful that the so called “elected” rulers werent given “full power” to rule this country. I,m sure the zameendaar from toba tek singh and lala musa, who only knows how to milk a cow was an ideal condidate to run the country with"full power" because all the choudhrys under him made the people vote for him.
And I dont even want to start with the zardari enterprises.

baat kartay hain.
Shukkar karo… jaahilo.

half of your assembly is full of angootha chaaps, elected by angootha chaaps.

no ones an angel in Pakistan… but in a country of andhaas, I have no problems with a kaanaa raja. whos not as kaana as people think , mind u.

Go musharaf! and no its not that “go musharraf go!” u hear in the assemblies… :hehe:

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*Originally posted by KAKA-ATOM-BUM: *

half of your assembly is full of angootha chaaps, elected by angootha chaaps.
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I,m sorry, make it "most". What was I thinking when I said half?

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^Kaka! :k:

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*Originally posted by MiniMe: *
I just have a question may be the gurus here be able to answer, what’s the imminent danger? War, Sanctions, Removal of Ruling Elite?
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have you ever noticed the way the Americans have a habit to find reasons to push there way through to foreign lands and find and fight wars there destroying 'other' lands and then packing up in a few years and leaving with thousands of mentally retarded soldiers...? Vietnam, Koera, and most recently Afghanistan and Iraq. So, with 'danger' one means the danger of waking up one morning and upon looking up at the sky finding paratroopers from the US army 101st airborne division landing on the streets to take charge of the 'dangerous' situation in Pakistan, as, perceived by the far sighted "Dubya".

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i am very pleased the way Musharraf handled the issue. and was more when a person from bbc asked with reply that why not ask the Europe and the rest the way they have made the nuclear stuff.
KAB :k:

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*Originally posted by Spock: *
No,

We refuse to believe all of this was going on without musharrafs knowledge. Its the American Danda (which works very well on Musharraf), thats all.
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Well which Pakistani leader wouldn't it work on? Either you produce a bigger danda or you make the best of the situation.

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Did anyone catch Tom Brokaw's special reporting from Pakistan on Friday? He's in Islamabad, had interview Musharraf and will be reporting from there for a week. I think the interview with Musharraf will be telecast either tonight on Dateline or weekdays.

So, the Nightly News started off with Tom Brokaw reporting from Islamabad. He went on explaining how the image of Pakistan has been damage on the International scene as we pick up any newspaper but the average Pakistani care less about it 'cause it's difficult for them to get out of busy life schedule. He went around the streets of Peshawar while explaining the life of average Pakistani. I recommend all of those who live in the U.S. to watch NBC Nightly News for upcoming week.

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All of this was so stupid and bogus.

If I were Musharraf, I would never have made anything public. I would have kept everything the way they had been handled for the past two or three decades. There is no point in giving any 'public' statements by Musharraf (on CNN e.g.) unless the whole issue was internally resolved. The pardon givent to AQKhan was also a drama.

What does this interrogation and pardon drama signify when North Korea, Iran and Libya have denied any nuclear links with Pakistan?

Was A Q Khan a bond007, who managed to do all this under the military's tight surveillance? If he did, isn't our military intelligence so poor?

No one in the international community believes that the Pak govt or army was not involved. What if they start putting pressure on our govt over this issue? Have thought of this 'if'? European countries have even started to raise concerns on this aspect of the matter.

What about if there is a new govt in US at the end of this year, which changes its stance and hits at Pakistan for being so 'nuclearly' irresponsible? What if Bush stays and, after gaining some ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, decides to take Pakistan as its next victim?

There are so many ifs here, which cannot be answered. I think we are super exposed. Anyone can come forward and strike a blow on us.

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Who defames army and the other institutions?

General (R) Flathead

In his speech, general Musharraf said he would not allow anyone to defame army or any other institution.

Firs, we want to let the general know that the people of Pakistan are not afraid of his army any more. They are not afraid of his fists or his threatening statements. They are not afraid of his army because we have removed the fear of army out of their hearts and minds.

While general Musharraf was busy weaving conspiracies to lengthen his tyrannical rule, we taught the people of Pakistan about the reality of Pakistani generals. We taught them how coward, shameless and stupid Pakistani generals are. We even gave them names like ‘General Phon Phan’, ‘General Dhuan’, ‘General Rathead’, and ‘General Flathead.’

We taught Pakistani people that Pakistani generals are not better than any SHEEDA or MEEDA in the streets of Pakistan. Our education has removed Pakistani generals’ fear out of their minds and hearts. Therefore, general Musharraf can wave fists or make threatening statements but he does not impress the people of Pakistan.

Having clarified this point, let us talk sense. Let us ask bluntly who is defaming army or the other institutions?

Let us first find out who is defaming army, and then we can talk about the other institutions.

Pakistani generals are the worst enemy of Pakistan army. They have destroyed this institution by leaving their posts empty and getting into areas, which are considered ‘no go areas’ for army officers in any civilized society.

Today, Pakistani generals are doing everything other than their primary job. They are running universities, corporations, embassies, government offices, political institutions and Pakistan itself. And that is what it is defaming Pakistan army. So the source of defame for Pakistan Army are Pakistani generals who run around in all nine yards of Pakistan instead of focusing on their primary job. We do not want to go into the details of kickbacks, land grabbing and corruption being committed by serving and retired army officers. Pakistani newspapers have extensively printed material about these misappropriations and encroachments.

Let us talk about the other institutions. The main source that creates, defines and keeps institutions in smooth operation is the constitution of the country. Then the institutions that make, interpret and execute the laws: the parliament, the judiciary and the executive. Who has constantly raped these institutions in Pakistan? Pakistani generals. General Musharraf’s record is the worst in this regard.

The prime example is recently passed 17th amendment. Who benefited from 17th amendment? General Musharraf who violated the constitution to begin with. What can be more insulting than violating the constitution, holding it in abeyance for three years, then arm twisting and taking the members of the parliament to task to force them to include 17th amendment in the constitution to make something ‘legal’ which is ‘illegal’ by any definition and from any point of view.

Making statements is easy. Talking about ideals is also easy. But truthfully maintaining high standards and ideals is indeed difficult.

The people of Pakistan have not only shed off Pakistani generals fear out of their minds and hearts, they have also learned who is responsible to put Pakistan very existence on the line.

Therefore, general Musharraf should not wave his fists and make meaningless statements about army defaming army and the other institutions. The people of Pakistan know he is a coward man. If he cares about Pakistan Army’s reverence, he should immediately resign and surrender to the law enforcing authorities and stand trial for his crimes against the constitution and the state of Pakistan.

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I was reading an article in the New York Times: Week-in-Review section about Dr. AQ Khan and nuclear Proliferation and one analyst made a good point that..if they were giving away nuclear secrets in exchange for missiles technology particularly (N Korea) that would be considered as improvement in their national defense not proliferation for both countries...but other nations fail to recognize that.

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It appears President Musharaf has bought time for Pakistan and the immdediate roll-back of its nuclear program.

Forget AQK and KRL, the are not the main target. It is PAEC.

Watch this space....

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From now on, we as Pakistanis have to make sure that such scums are not elevated to such high posts. Look how much shame he brought to Pakistan. I never liked Dr. A.Q. Khan. I guess country posts should be strictly reserved for the natives - Punjabis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and Balochs only and NOT for any1 who comes from the country we hate the most and switches loyalty (or shows it)! I guess he should be sent back to that country full of Kafirs.

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*Originally posted by mulz: *
I guess country posts should be strictly reserved for the natives - Punjabis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and Balochs only and NOT for any1 who comes from the country we hate the most and switches loyalty (or shows it)! I guess he should be sent back to that country full of Kafirs.
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Now where did that come from? Disliking Dr Khan is one thing. To be against a whole segment of your society because they migrated to Pakistan, is inane. Its not like Dr Khan was caught spying for India.

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Now where did that come from? Disliking Dr Khan is one thing. To be against a whole segment of your society because they migrated to Pakistan, is inane. Its not like Dr Khan was caught spying for India.
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Isn't A Q Khan Indian by birth? Why was the top scientist post given to some1 who is a foriegner and is known for switching loyalties? We all know that the Indians can never be trusted. Faisal bhai, always remember Pakistan is the land of the pure and any1 who is born in India is expected to be a traitor like Dr. Khan is - absolutely no wonder.

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Isn't A Q Khan Indian by birth? Why was the top scientist post given to some1 who is a foriegner and is known for switching loyalties? We all know that the Indians can never be trusted. Faisal bhai, always remember Pakistan is the land of the pure and any1 who is born in India is expected to be a traitor like Dr. Khan is - absolutely no wonder.
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There are a large number of people who live in Pakistan but who were born in India or their ancestors migrated to Pakistan around 1947. What would you like to do with them?

Well, might as well start from our very President of Pakistan. Masha Allah, he is from Dehli. Whats he doing sitting in the Presidency?

And as long as we are spewing the racism card and conspiracy theories, lets go back to figure out who else is not a "pure" Pakistani... lets start from ..... Liaqat Ali Khan, the first Prime Minister of Pakistan. Shall we? Where do you think he was born?