Arafat's death (?) and the aftermath

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islam does not allow relocating dead remains after burial, there might be some exceptions in extreme cases, but i dont think just to follow the wish of a person the scholars would allow undigging the grave. any how, he wants to be burried IN the mosque? he must be out of his minds, does he think we will worship him as the palestinian god? astagfurullah.
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Expressed burial at Al-Aska [spelling] Mosque ...also called Dome of the Rock? I could be wrong.

Language used by Israeli's is Temple-Mount.

Thanks for information. Wondered if relocation of remains allowed.

An Israeli denial of Jerusalem burial for Arafat creates ammuniton for Palestinian anger.

Allowing Arafat Jerusalem burial a tangible olive branch to peace.

Perhaps visible monument for Arafat that could be viewed from the Mosque...but direct visitation to burial site restricted until peace accomplished.

hamas is also trying to get itself a political identification after Arafat…i personally do not see anything wrong with it…

Hamas stakes claim for power
By Alan Johnston
BBC News, Gaza

A Gaza City mosque at sunset
Hamas is an Islamic movement rooted in Gaza’s mosques
The Taqwa mosque draws its worshippers from a northern district of Gaza City that is very much Hamas territory.

And the message from the imam was heavily political.

Wrapped in his long, grey cloak, he began by asking God for the recovery and safe return of Yasser Arafat.

But the rest of his address was filled with a sense that the Arafat era had come to an end - and that it was time for change.

The imam made no direct mention of Hamas. But he talked of the need for those who had stood against Israel - those who had “bled and felt pain” - to have a place in the Palestinian leadership.

It was a time for what he described as “men of honour” to come forward.

Two faces of Hamas

The imam’s message resonated with his audience.

Hamas is reviled in Israel as the organisation that has killed more than any other with its suicide bombs in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and elsewhere.

Hamas gunmen in Gaza
The Palestinian people want leaders who come from the trenches of the resistance
Gaza worshipper
Profile: Hamas
But to the worshippers at the Taqwa mosque the Hamas men are heroes of what they see as a fight to end the Israeli occupation, not just of Gaza and the West Bank, but of all the land that used to make up Palestine.

And these young men have contempt for the Palestinian political establishment - which they regard as deeply corrupt.

“The Palestinian people want leaders who come from the trenches of the resistance,” said one of the worshippers.

Hamas supporters believe that it is time for the organisation to be drawn into the national leadership structure, along with other factions.

And the organisation made exactly that demand over the weekend during talks in Gaza with the Palestinian Prime Minister, Ahmed Qurei.

One of the top Hamas men in the Gaza Strip, Ismael Haniya, spelt out the group’s demands.

It wants a joint leadership established that would give Hamas and other factions a say in decision-making.

This new body would oversee the situation until elections could be held.

Militants aim for influence

At another meeting, earlier in the day, Mr Qurei had heard similar demands from the militant group Islamic Jihad and from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

Mr Hania said that the prime minister had been receptive to the idea, and that there would be further negotiations.

Mr Qurei himself did not comment after the meeting. But his foreign minister, Nabil Sha’ath, described it as very positive, and said there would be more talks.

A Gaza mural shows Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Jerusalem’s Dome of the Rock
Yasser Arafat’s presence is still felt throughout Gaza
But nothing concrete was announced, and it is difficult to tell at this stage whether this pressure for a much more inclusive leadership structure will gain real momentum.

For now at least, Mr Arafat is still on the scene, and so many issues regarding the transition to any new regime remain vague.

At least initially though, two men - Prime Minister Qurei and his predecessor, Mahmoud Abbas - look poised to take over, perhaps jointly.

At this time, as they make repeated appeals for unity, they must at least appear to be receptive to demands for a more broad-based leadership arrangement.

And analysts here in Gaza believe that Mr Qurei and Mr Abbas might accept a role for Hamas and other factions in some sort of advisory forum.

But they are unlikely in the end to agree to a body that would have real decision-making powers.

They might well argue that that is the role of the Palestine Liberation Organisation, and, once again, invite Hamas to join it.

i have never seen such an anticipated death of a person in my life time…what an end…may Allak keep all of us under his blessings…

Arafat’s Wife Lashes Out at Officials
By LARA SUKHTIAN
Associated Press Writer

CLAMART, France – Yasser Arafat’s wife lashed out at his top lieutenants Monday, accusing them of traveling to Paris with plans to “bury” her husband “alive.”

In a screaming telephone call from Arafat’s hospital bedside, Suha Arafat told pan-Arab Al-Jazeera television that she was issuing “an appeal to the Palestinian people.” She accused his top aides, who are traveling to Paris later Monday, of conspiring to usurp her husband’s four-decade long role as Palestinian leader.

“Let it be known to the honest Palestinian people that a bunch of those who want to take over are coming to Paris tomorrow,” she screamed in Arabic over the telephone.

“You have to realize the size of the conspiracy. I tell you they are trying to bury Abu Ammar alive,” she said, using his nom de guerre. He is all right and he is going home. God is great."

An Al-Jazeera producer said the broadcaster was confident it was Suha Arafat on the telephone and that she had called their Ramallah office from Arafat’s bedside at a French military hospital.

Despite her insistence that Arafat was fine, French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier on Sunday called the Palestinian leader’s condition “very complex, very serious and stable right now.”

Palestinians have been making contingency plans for the event of his death, and Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia, Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath and Mahmoud Abbas, the former prime minister and deputy chairman of Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization, were due in Paris on Monday to consult with his doctors and French officials.

Some Palestinians have complained that Suha Arafat has gained too much power, as she controls the flow of information about Arafat’s condition and has taken charge of access to the ailing leader.

“She is not part of the Palestinian leadership,” Arafat security adviser Jibril Rajoub told Israel’s Channel Two TV on Sunday.

Suha Arafat, who lives in Paris, has not been to the West Bank or seen her husband since the latest round of Palestinian violence began in 2000.

She also is widely believed to have control of vast amounts of PLO money.

Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press

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i have never seen such an anticipated death of a person in my life time.....what an end....may Allak keep all of us under his blessings...
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Good point.

Making burial arrangements and worldwide speculation centering on replacement likely very distressing to Arafat's family, friends and associates.

The stature of Arafat to Palestine, and his impact to the entire Middle East causing us to forget about how painful it is when someone we love is seriously ill or dying.

F Arafat’s wife, she's been living off Palestinian Aid money with no regard for the people and belongs in jail for doing so. The situation is very unique and if the Pals don't plan for Arafat’s death it will be that much more of a mess. Arafat should have passed on power long ago instead of greedily holding onto every last grasp that he had.

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F Arafat’s wife, she's been living off Palestinian Aid money with no regard for the people and belongs in jail for doing so. The situation is very unique and if the Pals don't plan for Arafat’s death it will be that much more of a mess. Arafat should have passed on power long ago instead of greedily holding onto every last grasp that he had.
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UTD,

Am hopeful Arafat survives this wake-up call and recognizes his responsibility to the Palestinian people.

His endorsement toward peace measures could prove positive.

I definately agree wholeheartedly that plans need to be in place for his inevitable demise yet am sensitive to grief his loved ones will experience because of his loss.

The dead don't wake-up AAG.

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F Arafat’s wife, she's been living off Palestinian Aid money with no regard for the people and belongs in jail for doing so. The situation is very unique and if the Pals don't plan for Arafat’s death it will be that much more of a mess. Arafat should have passed on power long ago instead of greedily holding onto every last grasp that he had.
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UTD, I think you are not the only one who thinks like this.
The problem is he is been a hero for a long while and dissapeared like an hero for a long while. So his re appearance was what made him a legend, even if brought back by shimon peres the novel price winner (I could burp on that) and his mossad colleges with the help of French authorities.

Palestinians are set to announce Arafats death sometime today.

any of you find it extremely ironic that Arafat would die on a land that outlawed the headscarf...afterall Arafat personified that checkered headgear..

Nice observation PA. Arafat a man who many saw born to fight for Palestinian rights now dies in a state that’s taking the freedoms of Muslims away.

What's ironic? Arafat and the PLO were always ostentiously a left wing group rather than an Islamic cause. They championed the arab nationalist right to Palestine.

agreed.. but how is Arafat viewed by the entire Muslim world today? or for that matter how is the Arab-Israeli conflict viewed.. the battle for Palestine is much more than just a nationalist land-dispute in their eyes.. maybe they need to look hard at this eye opening irony.. where none of the Arab countries in this world are capable of taking in Arafat or treating him properly.

I have never in my entire life (not much, I know) seen so many people so anxious that a man die, so they can bury him. I mean, whats the rush, dudes. He is in coma. Let him stay in coma as long as he wants. Go do your laundry or whatever you wanna do. Leave him in peace. He'll die when his time is up.

It is because he has been the one man that has prevented peace for the Palestinians, there is no plan for his succession and everything is on hold until he passes - the future of Palestine and everything that goes with it.

Official text of meeting of Arafat and Palestinian representatives in Paris:

CART MASTER:
Ninepence.
DEAD PERSON:
I’m not dead!
CART MASTER:
What?
CUSTOMER:
Nothing. Here’s your ninepence.
DEAD PERSON:
I’m not dead!
CART MASTER:
‘Ere. He says he’s not dead!
CUSTOMER:
Yes, he is.
DEAD PERSON:
I’m not!
CART MASTER:
He isn’t?
CUSTOMER:
Well, he will be soon. He’s very ill.
DEAD PERSON:
I’m getting better!
CUSTOMER:
No, you’re not. You’ll be stone dead in a moment.
CART MASTER:
Oh, I can’t take him like that. It’s against regulations.
DEAD PERSON:
I don’t want to go on the cart!
CUSTOMER:
Oh, don’t be such a baby.
CART MASTER:
I can’t take him.
DEAD PERSON:
I feel fine!
CUSTOMER:
Well, do us a favour.
CART MASTER:
I can’t.
CUSTOMER:
Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won’t be long.
CART MASTER:
No, I’ve got to go to the Robinsons’. They’ve lost nine today.
CUSTOMER:
Well, when’s your next round?
CART MASTER:
Thursday.
DEAD PERSON:
I think I’ll go for a walk.
CUSTOMER:
You’re not fooling anyone, you know. Look. Isn’t there something you can do?
DEAD PERSON: [singing]
I feel happy. I feel happy.
[whop]
CUSTOMER:
Ah, thanks very much.
CART MASTER:
Not at all. See you on Thursday.
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I agree with Faisal. What's the hurry on pulling the plug. It's not like he's in any pain or anything. In a coma or even brain dead, some would argue that Arafat is as effective today in leading the Palestinians as he has been in the last several years. Another few hours or days can't harm anything.

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....I mean, whats the rush, dudes. He is in coma. Let him stay in coma **as long as he wants
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Err! Arafat cannot decide the length of his commatose state. You have to be out of coma before making a decision. Don't you think?

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It is because he has been the one man that has prevented peace for the Palestinians, there is no plan for his succession and everything is on hold until he passes - the future of Palestine and everything that goes with it.
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You can put Bush into his place and I promise you, there wont be any peace as well. NEVER!

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any of you find it extremely ironic that Arafat would die on a land that outlawed the headscarf...afterall Arafat personified that checkered headgear..
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Very.

Arafat did have a wife with residence in Paris. My own experience with serious illness and death taught me that immediate family wishes hold priority.

I don't have any famous people or influential politicians in my family but seems logical that Arafat taken to Paris on bequest of wife.

Am praying for wife.

Am praying for peace.