I was talking of number of Syeds in sub-continent as compared to Syeds in Arab world.
Coming to the topic, Arabs may not be successful in implementing Arabic as official language in valley, but many Arabs settled in Sindh and Southern Punjab (Saraiki belt as Arab armies went upto Multan). Now these languages contain many Arabic words and their variation, which are not common in Persian. Example is same thoom and Basal/ Basar in Sindhi and Saraiki, these are basically Arabic words. There are hundreds of such words and if one get chance to read sufi poetry, he can analyse Arabic words that became part and parcel of local languages way before Persian impact through Urdu, as Persian was official language, but poetry was done in masses language, which was not Persian.
Syeds were kicked out by the Umayyads...first from Saudia to Iraq, and then after the destruction of Iraq it seems they relocated elsewhere..
As far as Arabs are concerned their impact is not that much, as compared to the Persians (courtesy of geography).
Syeds were kicked out by the Umayyads...first from Saudia to Iraq, and then after the destruction of Iraq it seems they relocated elsewhere..
Very true. They had to leave because their lives were put in jeopardy. It was not just Umayyads but also Abbasids. I read that Abbasids were actually even more cruel on Syeds than Umayyads.
One more reason there are so many Syeds in subcontinent is that a lot of people have just put it in front of their names. Like many hindus of higher caste like Brahmins, when converted to Islam, they used the name Syed.
Syeds were kicked out by the Umayyads...first from Saudia to Iraq, and then after the destruction of Iraq it seems they relocated elsewhere..
Very true. They had to leave because their lives were put in jeopardy. It was not just Umayyads but also Abbasids. I read that Abbasids were actually even more cruel on Syeds than Umayyads. One more reason there are so many Syeds in subcontinent is that a lot of people have just put it in front of their names. Like many hindus of higher caste like Brahmins, when converted to Islam, they used the name Syed.
Syeds were kicked out by the Umayyads...first from Saudia to Iraq, and then after the destruction of Iraq it seems they relocated elsewhere..
Very true. They had to leave because their lives were put in jeopardy. It was not just Umayyads but also Abbasids. I read that Abbasids were actually even more cruel on Syeds than Umayyads.
Then there are so many fake Syeds in subcontinent. A lot of people have just put it in front of their names. Like many hindus of higher caste like Brahmins, when converted to Islam, they used the name Syed.
Very true. They had to leave because their lives were put in jeopardy. It was not just Umayyads but also Abbasids. I read that Abbasids were actually even more cruel on Syeds than Umayyads. One more reason there are so many Syeds in subcontinent is that a lot of people have just put it in front of their names. Like many hindus of higher caste like Brahmins, when converted to Islam, they used the name Syed.
Maybe the Syeds in Arab lands would have concealed their identities to survive. The one's who came to indo pak were respected, hence they kept their identity alive. I dont think any higher caste Hindu would have changed their surnames to Syed as they are already respected (Rajputs, Jatts and others) ...
Very true. They had to leave because their lives were put in jeopardy. It was not just Umayyads but also Abbasids. I read that Abbasids were actually even more cruel on Syeds than Umayyads.
Then there are so many fake Syeds in subcontinent. A lot of people have just put it in front of their names. Like many hindus of higher caste like Brahmins, when converted to Islam, they used the name Syed.
don't you think that these migrants when mingled with locals affected local languages to include Arabic vocabulary?
I would definitely choose arabic as its a god centered language.People learn arabic as part of their heritage and so that they could get the real meaning of Quran. Arabic language courses are adopted by students who have a real interest in learning Arabic and prosper it.Quran is written in Arabic and arabic is mainly used in middle east.Persian is on the other hand is language of courts and there are many interesting books on islam were written in persian by great authors.I would also like to learn persian so that i can get the real meaning of those persian books.
Most Saadat arrived in subcontinent speaking Persian instead of speaking of Arabic. They had lost their Arabic language since they had already spent a few centuries living in Persian speaking world after leaving Arabia.
So why are there some lone Arabic words in Seraiki and Sindhi, as you say? Well, no idea.
Persian sounds much sweeter to me than Arabic but if I had to choose one to learn over the other it would have to be Arabic as it seems more practical.. The Egyptian dialect of Arabic is widely understood so I’d pick that..
