April 15th rally in Karachi against religious fanatics

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Western media? I'm talking about the videos and statements from jihadis themselves. They love to go out in the middle of a crowded market with a bomb strapped around their waist and kill themselves and everyone else. It is like their namaaz to rip the flesh and bones of the innocent. So, don't keep getting stuck on the excuse of big bad Western media, we have all seen the doing of jihadis in Pakistan with our own eyes.

The days of blaming West for everything are long gone, people have woken up and have see what the mullahs and their jihadi brethren are really up to. You can only fool people for so long.

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That is a huge arse rally! I'm so proud of Pakistanis coming out in public on this. This bloody Lal Masjid needs to be closed and its so-called "clerics" need to be thrown in jail, and punished accordingly by a real-Shariat spirit of law that, may I remind some of the jaahil people on this forum, calls for peaceful demonstrations and opposition to vice and respect for law of the current state.

Holding random people captive and claiming them to be sinning without a proper and fair trial according to the parameters of the law of the land, doing gunda gardi and passing it off as defending the muslim world, etc is nothing to be praised.

Pakistanis are not all idiots. If the Lal masjid girls were doing the right thing, then there wouldn't be such a monstrous demonstration against them.

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My dear Cre! These same people are killing muslims in their own country - Pakistan as well. Too many suicide bombers here killing other muslims.

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hey how about danday aur klashnkov ki ghunda gardi done by MQM???

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Pakistan needs to be cleansed starting from the top all the way down to the bottom.

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http://www.mqm.org/English-News/Apr-2007/rally150407-12.jpg

HAHAHA! that’s just ridiculous…

sadly I agree with RoCKiSTaN’s post.
we don’t need kafirs leading our brothers and sisters.

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And who is doing the rally against fanatics.

The man who told his followers o sell gold and buy arms.
The man who killed noble people like Hakeem Saeed.
The man who killed innocent labourers.
The man who had hundreds of tortutre cells in Karachi.
whos policy was:
Qaid ka jo ghaddar hai, wo mout ka haqdar hai?

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Nice fairy tale story from lala land.

Back in reality, millions of Pakistanis love and support MQM because they do not believe the childish army and ISI created lies. All the stories of MQM torture chambers, drilling people, killing Hakeem Said all have one source: the military establishment and its associates. Remember it was the goal of the army/ISI during that time to destroy MQM and as can be seen from these pictures, they failed.

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When a known terrorist who has actual blood on his hands, as opposed to the Lal schoolgirls, can get away with this kind of rally, you know the country is messed up and has bass aackward priorities.

This complete skewed perception on the part of Pakistanis...their willingness to blame red herrings (be it religious parties, Israel, America, RAW, whoever) and yet tolerate and accept greater evils simply points to a dysfunctional society that reminds one more of lemmings than humans.

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Millions and millions also support ol BB...and Newaz. You going to tell me those two weren't criminals either?

Spare us...

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Fair enough if you want to march against an injustice but under what banner are you marching...

Ill give an example we had this socialist guy at our uni that was distributing to Muslims to join him on their March against the Iraq war...we refused not cos we agree with the Iraq war but cos we dont want to march under the banenr of socialism which carries the same man made values as the people they are marching against...

So if i were to march against Islamic groups i would march under the pretext that they are misapplying Islam and Islam needs to be implemented correctly rather than join the bandwagon and give some group who have no allegiance to Islam a 100000 crowd to boast about who support THEIR agenda...

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Iconoclast, I may share my anti-extremist views with Altaf Hussain, but that doesn't mean that I share all my views with Altaf Hussain. An educated man of science like yourself should know the distinction. Its pure logic.

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PCG...
So dont you think its incorrect to go on a march with someone whos ideology you dont share...fact is the reason say i have an issue with Iraq is not the same reason someone else has the same issue with Iraq...we dislike the same thing but our reasonings arent the same and therefore our solutions are different too...

For instance the MCB did a march in the UK against the War...to me they are sellouts who simply want to encourage interfaith dialogue...there march was no different to a Kaffir march in that it was a march cos it was their freedom to do so not because of anything to do with Islam...

100000 people marched...all for different reasons but all under one banner...

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Mass rally in Pakistan against radical mosque

KARACHI, Pakistan (AP) – About 100,000 people rallied in Pakistan’s largest city against an Islamic mosque and seminary that launched a Taliban-style anti-vice campaign in the country’s capital last week.

The mass protest in Karachi on Sunday was organized by the Mutahida Qami Movement, or MQM, a party based in the southern port city that strongly supports President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who has promoted moderate Islam.

“Islam is a religion of peace and there is no place in it for using force or terrorism,” said MQM leader Altaf Hussain, who addressed the rally on loudspeakers by telephone from London.

The Lal Masjid, or Red Mosque, in the capital Islamabad announced last week the setting up of a court to deliver justice based on Sharia, or Islamic law. Students from an Islamic school attached to the mosque have started an anti-vice campaign in Islamabad, threatening proprietors of music shops and brothels in the relatively liberal Pakistani capital.

The mosque’s chief cleric, Maulana Abdul Aziz, is an outspoken critic of Pakistan’s support of the U.S.-led war on terror. His thousands of male students are often at the forefront of anti-government and anti-U.S. rallies in Islamabad.

“We will strongly resist religious terrorism and religious extremism. We will resist their intentions with cooperation of the people,” Hussain said.

A Karachi police official, Mazhar Hussain, said about 100,000 people attended the rally, with many protesters chanting, “No to extremism.”

The Red Mosque, located in downtown Islamabad, is suspected of links in the past with militants, including the Taliban militia, which banned music, movies and nearly all forms of entertainment during its rule over neighboring Afghanistan under its strict interpretation of Islam.

A U.S.-led military campaign ousted the Taliban from power in late 2001 for harboring al-Qaeda after the September 11 attacks.

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Altaf hussain is an extremist of the worst kind, do you stand along with anybody who is anit-mullah?

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Lets not twist words. He is not an Islamic extremist, and that's the specific type of extremist that is under discussion. What his other extreme views are, become irrelevant, because those issues were not addressed at the rally.

Do I agree with anyone who is anti-mullah? As long as they are anti-mullah for the REASONS I am anti-mullah, and as long as they're defining a "mullah" the way I am, then yes. Do I stand WITH that person? No, because I obviously have differing viewpoints from them on other matters.

So do I side with Altaf Hussain. No.

Do I share a belief that extremism in religion is wrong and dangerous? Yes.

Mind you, this rally was not a "down with religion" rally. It was protesting behavior that is downright anti-Islamic to its core, that is being passed off as Islamic. The actions of the Jamia Hafsa girls are nothing to be proud of. They broke the law. They have committed treason, essentially, by establishing their own law system within a country without any consultation from the government or the people of the country. They kidnapped 3 individuals. In retaliation to police action, they kidnapped two other individuals. They occupied illegal territory. They broke the law by occupying the library in the masjid to prevent it from being bulldozed. And when the government tried to negotiate with them, they were not willing to even talk. They resorted immediately to violence. They bullied and destroyed property of video store owners. They teach these girls to carry sticks around and to use them on people which they have no legal or moral right to do.

If you support the Jamia Hafsa girls, then just come out and say so, Iconoclast.

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Ok im intrigued...
Whats wrong with having problem with the government bulldozing masjids and whats wrong with people taking apart a brothel cos law enforcement doesnt do it...

Dont see much wrong with the girls...they simply feel that the government isnt fulfilling its role...

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Mind you, this rally was not a "down with religion" rally. It was protesting behavior that is downright anti-Islamic to its core, that is being passed off as Islamic. The actions of the Jamia Hafsa girls are nothing to be proud of. They broke the law. They have committed** treason*, essentially, by **establishing their own law system within a country* without any consultation from the government or the people of the country. They kidnapped 3 individuals. In retaliation to police action, they kidnapped **two other individuals. They occupied illegal territory. They broke the law by **occupying the library in the masjid to prevent it from being bulldozed. And when the government tried to negotiate with them, they were not willing to even talk. They resorted immediately to violence. They** bullied and destroyed property** of video store owners. They teach these girls to carry sticks around and to **use them on people which they have no legal or moral right **to do.

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All these things have been done by Altaf Hussain on much larger scale. Do i praise a criminal on showing dissent against psychopath----NO---but u r.

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Who said anything about praising Altaf Hussain. His party did the work to get the rally together. How does Altaf Hussain really have anything to do with it? He sits on his behind, makes a speech in some other country for a rally being held in another country, of all the absurd things that could happen, and that's that. I don't need to identify with Altaf Hussain to support a rally that he probably didn't do much work to organize anyway.

Its like supporting a campaign in which there was a commercial done by Paris Hilton. So Paris and I don't see eye to eye on things, but if she does a commercial for women's health disparities, I would support it. That doesn't mean I'm going to dress like Hilton, or talk like Hilton, or do things like Hilton, or even buy her crappy perfurme.