Appearance of Imam Mehdi

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Originally posted by masi420:
**for u reza khan:

sorry but my scanner is not working properly rite now or i wud have posted images of the page.
anyways here u go:
baheshti zevar: pg# 431-436
umdat-ul-fiqah(by hazrat maulana zowar husain shah): pg#36 and 38

will be back with more references

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I disagree because of this......

4.156) And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny.
(4.157) And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so **(like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
(4.158) **Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

This means hazrat Isa DIDNT die. Its very clear actually.......

Question, when the Imam Mehdi will does arrive, how will you know that he is the Imam Mehdi?

What criteria will you be looking for?

Will u drive, fly, walk, out to where he (she?) is, to confirm their claim as the Imam Mehdi? Would you be willing to accept this claim from even the most unlikliest of people?

Will everyone agree that signs proclaiming this individual as Imam Mehdi are valid?

If there are those that will not agree with the claim, will they try denounce this person? Will you try to overlook the critics and try to find the truth on your by trying to find an unbiased source, by finding and learning from the person or persons making the claim of Imam Mehadi on your own?

Who's to say that the Coming of this Mehdi wont herald the coming of yet another Ahmedi community? Who's to say that if the Imam Mehdi were to appear tommorow and you were to follow him, that you wouldn't become the newest memeber of the most persecuted group in Pakistan?

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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
** I disagree because of this......

4.156) And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny.
(4.157) And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
(4.158) Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

This means hazrat Isa DIDNT die. Its very clear actually.......**
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Shah jee,

So what happened to Hazrat Isa (as) in your opinion?!

Just so you know, those who say Hazrat Isa (as) has died, believe he died else where, not on the cross, just as stated above.

Adnan Ahmed,

I will be interested to see the answers to your questions too! :)

and your point is

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we surely are not getting in discussion of Ahmadiaism…

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Ive heard that Mehdi wheather a person or group of pious & righteous people will gather the Muslims under one platform, form a giant single group of muslims. and start the struggle against kuffar.

their center of effort will be palestine specifically. Because anti-christ will emerge from europe.. from the syria, lebenon and start invading....

Nothing so far, explains that Mehdi has emerged on the surface of earth. Some People beleive that he is born, but is hidden from people.

And yes Dajjal the anti-christ has finally started invading .. (America) and yajooj majooj (Europeans as yajooj )the grand alliance (Russia Included as majooj) are assisting Anti Christ in all death and destruction in this world. The proofs are 1st, 2nd, world wars and all the wars America has been fighting after world war 2. America has world order, no country can survive without his permission ( Afghanistan case & iraq & libya, & veitnaam) . he gives the countries AID to survive , he controls the OIL reserves, America is the Supreme Giant Power in the world. and no country can say no to him, or he will vanish the country..

My fellows dosnt these all charachterstics matches the definition of dajjal the anti christ by most of the hadiths, the Quran, and references ???

its time, that we should wake up, and identify the Dajjal against whom we have to fight ultimatly......

Ill try to gather more information about MEHDI...and post it here..


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ahmadjee,

please refer to the new thread I opened for my understanding of the verses you quoted.

thanks

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i dunno appearance of Imam Mehdi has occured or not but i read in (tazkara-tul-Anbiya I) that he'll be just like Prophet(P.B.U.H.) in appearance and his characterstics will be the same as Prophet (P.B.U.H.).
His name will be Muhammed and his father's and mother's names will be Abdullah and Amina. He'll stammer (just as Hazrat Moosa) while talking. He'll be from Madina and will be from Hazrat Imam Hasan's generation.


|~*ham uskay hain hamara poochna kiya~|*

when he'll appear in Makkah (after Bait) people will recognize him n will make him their king. After that people will listen to a spritual voice coming from God:
He is God's Caliph, listen to him and follow him. And other sign of the appearance of Mehdi will be that, in the year of appearance there will be solar eclipes and lunar eclipes both in the month of Ramadan.


|~*ham uskay hain hamara poochna kiya~|*

Al-Mahdi, Muhammad ibn Abdullah & A Caliphate That Follows the Guidance of the Prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam

Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman reported that the Messenger of Allah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said,

"Prophethood (meaning himself) will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain, then Allah will raise it up wherever he wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood remaining with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, He will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a reign of violently oppressive [The reign of Muslim kings who are partially unjust] rule and it will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, there will be a reign of tyrannical rule and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood."

Then Hudhaifah said, "The Prophet stopped speaking." [As-Silsilah As-Sahihah, vol. 1, no. 5]


Al-Mahdi Muhammad bin Abdullah

All those who are gifted with sound comprehension know that the Mahdi who the Shiites are waiting for, does not and did not exist. The Muslim nation has faced numerous hardships and calamities because of this mystical belief that the Shiites carry and propagate regarding this Mahdi.

In the Shiite mythology, believing in the Imams is a cornerstone of their faith. However such mythology is similar to Greek and Persian mythology, as well as the beliefs of the other nations of Al-Jahiliyyah.

The Sunnis believe that Al-Mahdi will be an ordinary man, born to an ordinary women raised by ordinary men and living an ordinary life with the people of his time. He will not live in caves, as the Shiites believe. They are waiting for their Mahdi to appear from an alleged cave, where they claim he has been in hiding for over ten centuries.

In reality, Al-Mahdi will be an Imam and a Caliph, among other Caliphs who rule Muslims with justice. However, what differentiates Al-Mahdi from other Caliphs is that he will meet Jesus son of Mary sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam.

Also, Jesus, the Prophet of Allah, will pray behind Al-Mahdi. Allah will give Al-Mahdi the ability to righteously rule the Muslim nation in the span of a night. He will fill the earth with justice, as it was filled with injustice. He will lead the Muslim nation to the second conquering of Constantinople and possibly Rome.

A Caliphate That Follows the Guidance of the Prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam

The Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam mentioned that just before the end of this world, the Muslim nation will be ruled by a Caliphate that will follow the guidance sent with the Messenger of Allah sallallahualayhi wa sallam.

Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman reported that the Messenger of Allah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said,

"Prophethood (meaning himself) will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain, then Allah will raise it up wherever he wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood remaining with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, He will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a reign of violently oppressive [The reign of Muslim kings who are partially unjust] rule and it will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, there will be a reign of tyrannical rule and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood."

Then Hudhaifah said, "The Prophet stopped speaking." [As-Silsilah As-Sahihah, vol. 1, no. 5]

The reason behind mentioning this Hadith here is to state that Al-Mahdi will live in the last period of rightly guided Caliphs that the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam mentioned himself sallallaahualayhi wa sallam.

In this Hadith, the Messenger of Allah divided the history of the Muslim nation into the following stages:

  1. The reign of the Prophet Muhammad

  2. A Caliphate that rules according to the guidance revealed to the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam This period is called the reign of the rightly guided Caliphs, starting with Abu Bakr, then Umar, then Uthman and ending with the murder of Ali bin Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased withthem all. Some scholars included the short reign of Al-Hasan bin Ali, the grandson of the Messenger of Allah sallallaahualayhi wa sallam These are the thirty years which the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam stated comprised the reign of the rightly guided Caliphs [The Prophet sallallaahualayhi wa sallam said? "The Caliphate will remain in my nation after me for thirty years. Then, it will be a monarchy after that." Ahmad, Tirmidhi and others, Sahih Al-Jami` ' As-Saghir no. 3341].

  3. The reign of unjust rule. This reign contains some injustice to a varying degree between one king and another. This period started after Al-Hasan bin Ali and includes the Umayyad, Abbasid, Mamluks and until the fall of the Ottoman State in the twentieth century.

This period includes all states that ruled in the Muslim World during those centuries. However, we exclude the reign of those rulers whose rule was similar to the rule of the rightly guided Caliphs, such as the reign of Abdullah bin Az-Zubayr and Umar bin Abdul-Aziz. These two are considered among the just Caliphs from among the tribe of Quraish who ruled or will rule the Muslim nation.

  1. The reign of the tyrannical rule. This period started in the end of the Ottoman state and continues. We ask Allah that He saves us from the evils of this period and that we witness its end soon.

This reign includes all the regimes that ruled the Muslim World, whether imperial, party oriented, governments controlled by the disbelievers, like those after World War I, populist or republic, which all sought to deprive Allah from His right as the Only Legislator in all matters of life and religion.

When the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam mentioned the periods that this nation will experience, he categorized them according to the type of government, whether unjust, or that which follows the guidance of the Prophet, or autocratic and tyrannical, as we experience today.

  1. The return of a Caliphate that rules following the guidance of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam This period requires the Muslims to be prepared and strive for its imminent coming, by spreading the knowledge of the Book and the Sunnah and the way of our righteous ancestors, As-Salaf As-Salih. This is because nothing can resurrect this nation except that which resurrected its ancestors. Until this final period comes, the religion will become a stranger, the same way it started in Makkah, a stranger to its masters and slaves, the powerful and the weak, its women, and its children.

Those who will strive to establish this righteous period are those ghurabaa strangers as the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam called them, who will carry this religion with knowledge, sound comprehension and determination. They will willingly sacrifice their well-being, face hardships, and persecution, with patience and steadfastness. They will follow the advice of the Messenger of Allah sallallaahualayhi wa sallam when he said,

"Therefore, hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided Caliphs, hold it between your front teeth! And beware of innovations (in the religion), for every innovation is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is a deviation, and every deviation is in the Fire." [Sahih Al-Jami ' As-Saghir, no. 2549]

The ghurabaa are the ones who, by the will of Allah, will correct that which people have altered and changed of the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam after his departure from this earthly life. They will fight in the sake of Allah and dominate those who oppose them. They will be unrelenting even in the face of those who abandon or defy them, until Allah brings about His Decree (the Hour), while they are steadfast on this path.

We ask Allah, the Praised and Ever-High One, that He grants us steadfastness on the path of His Messenger sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam and the path taken by the companions and those who followed theirlead until the Day of Judgment.


Dont think "you can" know "you can"
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Originally posted by FlameZz:
**In the Shiite mythology, believing in the Imams is a cornerstone of their faith. However such mythology is similar to Greek and Persian mythology, as well as the beliefs of the other nations of Al-Jahiliyyah.

The Sunnis believe that Al-Mahdi will be an ordinary man, born to an ordinary women raised by ordinary men and living an ordinary life with the people of his time. He will not live in caves, as the Shiites believe. They are waiting for their Mahdi to appear from an alleged cave, where they claim he has been in hiding for over ten centuries
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  1. The cornerstone of a muslim's(be he shia sunni ect.) Is Allah. Not a man. Not an angel. Allah. Imamiyat is a part of faith as hey are the ones who have guided us and will guide us through this life(Like a parent gides his/her child. But the Imam's child is the whole ummah)

2.He is not hiding in some cave(which is sad on behlaf of one's thinking. He dissapeared in a cave and wasnt seen again) He is in Purdah and with Allah(like Hazrat Isa)And he will be an ordinary man who was taken up by Allah and will be sent back again when the time comes.

3.Can you seriously think a 'normal' person who is born into this world and plauged by sins himself (for he is normal and all 'normal' men sin) will 'save' the muslim nation when he is a 'sinner' himself?

Well FlameZz, my slow minded friend, if you cant grasp the point, let me be more percise.

My point is this. If the Imam Mehdi were to show up tommorow, you and all your other crusaders of the Islamic faith, will be the first to denounce him and call his followers Kufars. So basically, you wont believe anyone.
Your whole discusion is pointles because as far as people like yourself are concerned, the only way the Imam Mehdi would ever be recognized is if he moved mountains for you.

(Although i think clearing your mind of ignorance would be far more challenging, and worthy of a true miracle.)

I suggest that since you are such a pious person, that you enlighten me by answering those simple questions that i asked you.

Oh and there is also the point of Jesus Christ. Although im not the Authority on this, many people i think believe that Jesus survived the cross and then Migrated to Kashmir along with some of the lost tribes of Israel, Kashmiris and some Pathans are thought to be descendants of these Tribes( that may explain why they have such light skin.) I have also heard that Muree is named after Mary who is buried somplace there.
I dont know if this is true, but thats what some claim. However i fail to see the importance of it all, After all, they are all dead now…

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adnan ahmad
As for Kashmiris and Pathans they are not jewish. jews dont give up their relegion and hebrew their language easily. and this fair skin thing does not hold ground because original jews are famous for being dark like arabs but now most of them look light as they have mixed themselves with the Europeans after the jewish diasporas...

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Well FlameZz, my slow minded friend, if you cant grasp the point, let me be more percise.

My point is this. If the Imam Mehdi were to show up tommorow, you and all your other crusaders of the Islamic faith, will be the first to denounce him and call his followers Kufars. So basically, you wont believe anyone.

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First Im not sure, from so many diffrent view about Imam Mehdi , which are correct. And yes one would seek some identity , some claim based on facts or past knowledge to prove something. If we could come across a identity of signs of Imam Mehdi which are according to Quran and Hadith it will be far more eaisier to recogonize Imam mehdi.

Any by the way Mirza Ahmad Qadiyani didnt had anything that resemble him to Imam Mehdi.**

Your whole discusion is pointles because as far as people like yourself are concerned, the only way the Imam Mehdi would ever be recognized is if he moved mountains for you.

*what are you talking about dear? Im seeking and arguing over the true signs of the appearance of Imam mehdi, and the views expressed in Hadiths. and verily i am not expecting any Miracle because Allah Has clearly said that After Muhammad(SAW) life, mankind will not see any miracles.
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(Although i think clearing your mind of ignorance would be far more challenging, and worthy of a true miracle.)
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scroll lil up. and read what i said..
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I suggest that since you are such a pious person, that you enlighten me by answering those simple questions that i asked you.
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Im not pious, enlighten person, I just have little knowledge which is based on Quran, and hadith. and I do seek Knowledge which is from Quran and Hadith, not some Man man assumption which contradict Quran and Hdith.
My First Priority is Quran, and then Hadith..
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Oh and there is also the point of Jesus Christ. Although im not the Authority on this, many people i think believe that Jesus survived the cross and then Migrated to Kashmir along with some of the lost tribes of Israel, Kashmiris and some Pathans are thought to be descendants of these Tribes( that may explain why they have such light skin.) I have also heard that Muree is named after Mary who is buried somplace there.
I dont know if this is true, but thats what some claim. However i fail to see the importance of it all, After all, they are all dead now...

I do not have much information about this, i Just heard this...


Dont think "you can" know "you can"
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You obviously dont have any clue what you are talking about…
I asked you if you would be willing to find out for yourself the authenticity of any person who claimed to be the Imam Mehdi.
However,that is obviously not the case, because you continue to refer to bigoted anti ahmadi websites as your source.
Why dont you go to on the Authentic Ahmedi websites (im sure god will forgive you), and email one of the authorities on their reasons for believing in Ahmadiyat. You should also try to read books written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and other Ahmedis concerning ahmediyat (dont worry im not trying to convert you).
The fact is, that I know many people who are Ahmedi and are probabaly as knowledgable, or far more knowledgable than you in matters of Islam, so their obviously something within the belief that is keeping the from renouncing Ahmadiyat all together.
Anyways, Until you can do your own research useing legitimate sources, Im afraid your just a horrible Waste of Time

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just for your info… read this

or for your leaisure time browse this site.. tomb of jesus

For ue information i've read tis and other bogus articles by jews and hindus before telling that we r jewish origin. I tell u that all these names r from Arabic, which is similar to hebrew, for example khyber for darra khyber,is a hebrew word for fort, pishgah is from persian, and all these others are just frommmuslims naming place. If some pakistani names his child daoud yaqoobi that does not mean he is a jew. just because his family nbame is daoudi. these words came with Arabic and not with the migration of Bene israel. they also say that some iranians r jewish, as they have arabic/jewish names since used to relieve jews from persecution in Babylon.

Another thing ive previously said that jews dont give up their relegion and language easily, they keep their relegion even if some one tries to parden them for converting from judaism for their skin it is by the aryan invasion from South russia to kashmir,Afghanistan and iran.
and even if most of the kashmiris/afghans have converted to islam their should at least be a few hundreds/thousands or so jews in kashmir.
This is a bogus theory, while there may be some jews if not all kashmiris and afghans are.