for Malik
It was nice juicy target.. Two thumbs up to freedom fighters :k: :k: Every yank in Iraq is a terrorist and a legit target. So the sooner the terrorist find a face saver the better or be prepared for a continous arrival of body bags.
Oh BTW is someone keeping a list of U turns done by the monkey? There are quite a few 
Such hate and anger is shocking, but not surprising. After all Saddam was killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims and they are the first one's to defend such acts...
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Every yank in Iraq is a terrorist and a legit target.
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Well they are foreign fighters who illegally invaded Iraq, against the will of the international community, and then ended up trying to outdo Saddam by killing tens of thousands of Iraqis' in such a short time. Now the supporters of these foreign fighters want to even outdo the terrorists of "Al Qaida" they keep going on about. Such hateful killing talk from people who say they want to promote peace and stability in the world.
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Yes brave iraqi soldiers attacking clearly marked ambulances.
Keep chuckling boys.
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As brave as the Israeli forces who attack ambulances?
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Well they are foreign fighters who illegally invaded Iraq, against the will of the international community, and then ended up trying to outdo Saddam by killing tens of thousands of Iraqis' in such a short time. Now the supporters of these foreign fighters want to even outdo the terrorists of "Al Qaida" they keep going on about. Such hateful killing talk from people who say they want to promote peace and stability in the world.
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Just saw on TV as a good will gesture the terrorist released about 100 Iraqis who were locked up without any reason. Those 100 said they will take revenge.. LOL... Seems like the terrorist have an extra thick skull they simply don't get the message and only understand the language of body bags....
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**Evacuate the city and level it. ...] Everybody gets all willy nilly about kicking in a door, and searching houses. Screw it, get tough. ...] Take every man of military age and put them in prisons until you can sort out the good from the bad. ...] Time to be less politically correct with these towns, and shut them down.
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The worrisome part, for me, is that you represent/ed one of the more 'moderate' American voices. i am unable to believe you would actually endorse any of the above policies.
You are talking about rounding up military-age men (what's that? anyone above 16 and under 60?), and locking them up in prisons until the "good" guys can be sorted from the "bad" guys. i don't know why, everyone can roll their eyes at me now if they so wish, but that statement conjures up images of rounding up people and locking them up a la Hitler style. You say "shut [towns] down" - it's easy to shoot off Dubya-style cowboy euphemisms, but do you know what shutting down towns means? Do you imagine how difficult it would be to ensure that evaucating civilians actually have a place to go to after they evacuate? Or do you expect these evacuating civilians will be evaported into thin air? We are talking about forcibly kicking people out of their homes - go doortodoor and say 'get out' of your house. You seem like a fairly reasonable and patient man to me but i am fairly certain even you would not exhibit too much patience if someone told you to get out of your own house. And where do these people go to? Under what international law (rolleyes time) do we kick civilians out of their own residences? If implemented, this would be more like something up Ariel Sharon's sleeve, not the carefully thought-out policies of a democratic and just government.
And no this is not the emotional rants of a sensitive female. You start kicking down peoples' homes and forcing them out of their own homes, levelling off their cities - i am not so certain what tenet of international law could possibly justify such measures by any very broad stretch of my imagination. Why not just say - let's wipe out the entire civilian population by dropping a nuke on their heads.
i do believe that we, WE ALL, have to realize that this is a war of resistance against what is widely (and accurately) perceived of as an Occupation. If the US were to follow the measures you have outlined above, it would certainly bolster that belief not reduce it and give ammunition to moderate Muslims like myself to believe that this is an active colonization, not a process of liberation.
Nadia,
Relax girl.
Last I heard the coalition is not taking note of my advice.
My point is that the tears being shed are for those who killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds, Shia's, Marsh Arabs, political opponents, and common people who said a word aginst Saddam. Here we have towns of men who profited by oppression, slaughtered and killed on command, and ruled the county with barbaric cruelty. Laying waste to a town full of Saddams crack SS storm troops just seems like poetic justice.
For the most part this is occupation-lite. In these rebel towns however there is nothing to lose. They hate us anyway, and some heavy handed control over these towns will not make matters worse. What will they do, get angry and kill our troops?
The remaining 95% of the country should be dealt with in even handed culturally sensitive ways, but these towns are basically hot war zones. Let's just face that reality.
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oye i'm 23 :p Not a "girl" anymore :p Muchas gracias. :D
Thanks, but i think i am adhering to a very different version of "reality" - a reality in which not every civilian in towns can be neatly categorized into the "good" guys and the "bad" guys. From the perspectives of many of these 'rebels', they are simply defending their homeland.
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Just saw on TV as a good will gesture the terrorist released about 100 Iraqis who were locked up without any reason. Those 100 said they will take revenge.. LOL... Seems like the terrorist have an extra thick skull they simply don't get the message and only understand the language of body bags....
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Well they locked them up in the same deadly and torturous prisons that Saddam locked his opponents up, when he was in power. So I guess the Iraqi people see the foreign fighters of the US military in the same light as Saddam's regime? But let's not forget that it was American terrorism in the first place i.e. the killing of demontrators in Falluja that led such huge opposition in this town to the American's.
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Well they locked them up in the same deadly and torturous prisons that Saddam locked his opponents up, when he was in power. So I guess the Iraqi people see the foreign fighters of the US military in the same light as Saddam's regime?
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Do we have a count yet of how many were released without tongues or earlobes?
If we’re talking about Iraqi individuals in the prisons, seems that some Iraqis adopt a less-than-positive perception of how the US treats these individuals:
Iraqis despair over U.S. policies on prisoners
Soldiers ejected over Iraq abuses
Three soldiers have been discharged from the US army for mistreating Iraqi prisoners of war.
They were found guilty of beating and harassing detainees at a detention camp in the south of the country.
An internal inquiry found soldiers had thrown prisoners down and kicked them in the head, groin and abdomen in an incident at Camp Bucca last May.
The three soldiers, a woman and two men who said they acted in self-defence, have all returned to the United States.
People grow up much too fast these days, young lady! Just the other day I met a young man on some forums and I suppose he also believe himself to be THE man nowadays. Keep your youth as long as you can! 
Ohioguy, am I correct that this is a new situation for the USA? That is, being in complete control of complete towns in a hostile environment? The British have Ireland and should cope a little better than the USA with the pressure.
When I see the newsclips of the USA soldiers, in their dressed-up battle gear and helmets, it bring back all the memories of all those movies made by Holywood about these hard soldiers oppressing and controlling the freedom of the people (often in science-fiction movies). Always there was some hero from the people that saved the day against these monsters. Often the hero came from some part of the USA. Funny how the country that should stand for freedom of the people ride roughshod over the freedom of other country’s peoples freedom.
US troops said they destroyed a home in Fallujah, the centre of the anti-American insurgency west of Baghdad, where enraged neighbours said a married couple was killed and their five children were orphaned. They insisted the couple were innocent in an attack on the troops that led them to shell the house. “This is democracy? These corpses?” neighbour Raad Majeed asked at the hospital, gesturing at the remains of the couple, on gurneys covered with bloody sheets. “It’s a crime against humanity.”](http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8347787%255E1702,00.html)
Then they wonder why people in towns like Fallujah hate the foreign fighters i.e. the US military so much?
The Old Man,
aye, true enough. But they say with age comes wisdom and maturity and i am in dire need of that - so the older i can get, the better:D
Just look at the media coverage of this event - or lack of - versus the near-daily deaths of American troops. The latter have the luxury of signing up and deliberately choosing whether or not they want to participate in this war. No one gave that choice to the Iraqi children who now have to look forward to living as orphans for the rest of their lives.
Fallujah is not the only place, where American’s tell blantant lies, after killing innocents and only targetting civilians…
Slaughter in Samarra](Slaughter in Samarra: was it 54 or 8 dead?)
Old Man,
"Ohioguy, am I correct that this is a new situation for the USA? That is, being in complete control of complete towns in a hostile environment? The British have Ireland and should cope a little better than the USA with the pressure."
The US had extensive experience with Germany and Japan. Resitance continued in Germany for quite some time.
The differences in Ireland is that Ireland essentially had very few weapons, as do most of the British Isles. One shipment of guns was a big deal. Iraq is awash with them. Secondly the nature of the people is a bit different. The people largely fighting the war are those that are losing power and see a country evolving where they will become a minority, rather than a controlling minority party who rules by oppression.
No one likes to have their country invaded. But the Kurds are happy as can be, and so far the retribution against Arabs who were given their land and property during ethnic cleansing in the north by Saddam has been remarkably little. The Shias in the south are fighting among themselves, but the Ayatollahs have people in a generally good place.
That leaves a rebel area and Baghdad where there is essentially a war still on.
Run baby run!!! US troops on the march - out of the army
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FA10Ak02.html
Given the way that events have unfolded in Iraq, new measures to encourage troops to remain in the US military - including financial incentives - are unlikely to succeed in the long run. Yet the alternatives to addressing the Pentagon’s problem of its shrinking army are too contentious to contemplate.