Re: Another Threat to Iran from USA -This is a pre-9/11 moment
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The know and personally we all know, the end is nigh for the western imperialism, and it is they who are on their knees, desperately holding on to what they can. The world has turned beneath them and they are still pretending everything is the same.
That is why we still have long queues for immigration outside every great country to the imperialistic west...
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But could have been very worthwhile for some of the information that was still relevant.
We can't just dump our ideas of democracy on other nation states...and anyway governments listen to their people don't they..like the protest to the eyeraq invasion here in the UK prior to desert storm
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But could have been very worthwhile for some of the information that was still relevant.
Good for them !!! So you are happy that the idiots who stormed another country's embassy did get some valuable information.
Democracy without just rulers is pointless...
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If you think that trying to understand your history, your enemy and identifying the traitors within, is not important then I would disagree.
Re: Another Threat to Iran from USA -This is a pre-9/11 moment
If you think that trying to understand your history, your enemy and identifying the traitors within, is not important then I would disagree.
Good, What Iran did with all that information is anybody's guess
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This is less a result of sanctions, and more result of administrative efforts.
Actually, There Is No Hyperinflation In Iran - Business Insider
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^ sure, if the country can shut itself down from rest of the world they can print or not-print any amount of currency, peg it or not peg it to pretty much anything including desert sand. But as the article also states, middle-class in Iran is getting decimated and angrier by the day. At the point inflexion, the middle class will reach down to basic necessities thus effectively becoming the neo poor and relegating the currently poor to destitution. That is the stuff revolutions are made of. End of the mullah brigade.
And all that is atleast partially due to the sanctions. Why? because without dollars they cannot import machinary, certain raw materials etc which are necessary to produce even chicken feed. The escape hatch until recently was provided by China and Russia. Both channels have now been mostly shut down, thanks to US & UK working with Turkey.
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What we are seeing is a pyschological war taking place against Iran. My expectations of an actual war have decreased in the last few weeks. The U.S is bluffing.
Just pray that Democrats win the election, or else we will see attacks on Iran, Syria and maybe Libya. I can guarantee you that.
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^ really? you means these countries are the examples of peace and harmony right now? Iran is supporting the murderous syrian gunta which is killing thousands of its own citizen. A war that brings an end to these misfit regimes will be a blessing to the people of these countries.
But I doubt if USA has the resources, interest or ability to prosecute any such intervention regardless of who gets elected.
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Just pray that Democrats win the election, or else we will see attacks on Iran, Syria and maybe Libya. I can guarantee you that.
Syria is already being attacked , Libyan leadership is in the pockets of the U.S. Iran does not pose any danger to the U.S but any state that cannot be humiliated by the Israelis is considered a threat to Israel and by extension the U.S.
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^ really? you means these countries are the examples of peace and harmony right now? Iran is supporting the murderous syrian gunta which is killing thousands of its own citizen. A war that brings an end to these misfit regimes will be a blessing to the people of these countries.
But I doubt if USA has the resources, interest or ability to prosecute any such intervention regardless of who gets elected.
Afghanistan war will be the longest war that the U.S has ever fought, it is 10 years and still counting with no victory in sight. I don't think that the U.S is in a position to get stuck into another long war irrespective of who wins.
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Iran having or even thinking of developing nuclear weapons does irk me. Religious leaders in charge of nuclear weapons is not a good sign. It will weaken Pakistan stance in the region. It would be a blow to Pakistan strategically if they did obtain them. The one Islamic country with the nukes is enough.
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These religious leaders are saner than Bush and Cheney could ever hope to be. Secondly Pakistan does not have any conflict with Iran so strategically it will not make any difference at all.
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These religious leaders are saner than Bush and Cheney could ever hope to be. Secondly Pakistan does not have any conflict with Iran so strategically it will not make any difference at all.
I wouldn't be to sure....
Although, Iran has been on good terms with Pakistan that doesn't mean its in our interest. Power corrosion is never good for any country. Iran wants to dominate the ME and project its power beyond its borders rather then use it for defensive reasons. Besides I think on the whole a Shi'ite Iran having weapons will put Sunni countries on edge. (Not that I care of differing religious beliefs).
KSA would probably allow Israel to use its territory to bomb Iran. Again a religious issue. When anything gets religious then anything can happen.
Besides I can't understand why Iran would want/need to bomb.
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Let me get this straight....KSA would be happy with Israel having nuclear weapons but not a fellow muslim country? It would allow Israel to use KSA territory to attack Iran?
There is no conflict between Sunnis and Shias. However Wahabism is a more militant form of the religion and KSA has attempted to export it, therefore you can say that KSA is more dangerous than Iran.
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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. KSA has I believe without reference strategic nuclear alliance with Pakistan. The 4th SSG soldiers are stationed in KSA permanently. KSA doesnt have a choice to be happy with Israeli nukes as thats not something they can control but they sure as hell don’t want Iran to have them.
Below are a few links to support my argument :-
Will Saudi Arabia Support an Israeli Attack on Iran In June? - Forbes
What Would a Saudi-Supported Israeli Attack on Iran Mean For You? - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - telegram.com (same article as above. Just for reference.)
Saudis Might Support Israeli Strike on Iran - The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Jewish Press Staff | Sunday, February 26, 2012 | JewishPress.com (Biased but still giving the picture)
The Secret Wars of the Saudi-Israeli Alliance | Global Research
Basically, KSA supports an Israeli attack on Iran as long as the US oks it. If its unilateral strike by Israeli planes then it has said it will shoot them down.
It’s not about fellow Muslim country. It’s about the whole Sunni-Shi’ite divide. It’s unanimously clear KSA hates Iran and vice versa. When the King of KSA met Obama he told him to cut the head of the snake off in reference to Iran. Why are you finding this hard to believe?
There might be open conflict but certainly there is behind the scenes. The control of the strategic supply routes in the Persian gulf pertaining to be core issues and religious thought.
Yes Wahabism can be seen as a militant form however, KSA is not seeking nuclear weapons is it? It’s Iran. It’s clear about its intentions.
An interesting link about Pak-Saudi Alliance
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I can imagine the Saudis allowing their territory to be used by the U.S but not by Israel. Even the Saudis will not be that stupid, as that would be suicidal. The U.S and KSA have a strategic relationship, which will remain so long as oil remains important and KSA has oil. As soon as this strategic relationship ends so will the monarchy in KSA, as the relationship with U.S keeps the monarchy in power. This relationship also helps the U.S economically, which also as result helps them militarily. The U.S is very keen to maintain this relationship for as long as possible.
The KSA hostility toward Iran is again based on self preservation interest of the monarchy. The monarchy is also fearful of the significant shia minority in KSA. The KSA was against the attack on Iraq in 2003, so there is no reason for them to support an attack on Iran as that would destabilise the whole region. At the end of the day it will boil down to whether they have more to gain from a regime change in Iran or more to lose due to destabilisation of the region. Even with a regime change Iran would remain a significant regional power, plus the U.S would get closer to Iran and KSA would lose its importance to the U.S. Iran in the long term is more important to the U.S than is KSA.
Pakistan and the KSA also have a strong relationship which is not directed at Iran but Pakistan will be prepared to fight if KSA is attacked on the ground, which seems unlikely.