I have talibanophobia and proud of it. Taliban are evil and whether they are an instrument of foreign or domestic forces doesn't matter much as they must be eliminated.
amen to that
now if we can only add Balochistani Rebels, MQM Facists, Punjabi and Sindhi Feudal Lords, Corrupt Army Generals and Politicians, Quack Journalists, etc....
According to my estimate...atleast 10-20 million people in pakistan need to be eliminated before pakistan is fixed
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Captain FT:
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u must have to focus the root cause. without eliminating the root cause
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Taliban fanaticism does not arise from American actions. So American actions are not the root cause of their anti-Islam activities.
One can not argue that if injustices everywhere against Muslims are eliminated then Taliban will disappear.
Taliban activities are criminal, barbaric, and unIslamic. They need to be condemned regardless of what Americans are doing.
If you do not support Taliban then why did you open this thread to lament Taliban killings?
I have talibanophobia and proud of it. Taliban are evil and whether they are an instrument of foreign or domestic forces doesn't matter much as they must be eliminated.
agreed.
well if ur proud of ur talibanophobia then im proud of my jihadophobia.
ur saying and focusing taliban regardless what usa is doing which means that ur supporting their terrorism also. ehh?
it seems as if ur given a plan here to change people mind to support every evil plan and act of usa and nato regardless of what they are doing.
and on the other hand as u said that if im not supporting taliban then why i have opened this thread, then man! i have opened this thread bcoz there are also civilian killings in thez drone attacks. i have repeatedly said that im not supporting taliban and their acts are against Islam and ur totally showing ur ignorance by focusing only on talibans.
and if u say that talibans are the only evil and the point from where terrorism started then sir! where were those talibs when u and americans were supporting them in Afghan war for their interests in 1979 against russia?
where were thoz suicide attacks before 9/11 in afghanistan and pakistan and america and where were thez talibans when u alongwith the government supported them before 9/11 but there were no suicide attacks.?
u are traitors, not muslims, u just focus on one side of terrorism which im myself am not denying the fact that taliban are terrorist but u are also at the same time refusing the fact that all this is bcoz of american terrorism and policiz.
shame on u!
u are against true jihad even of Islamic teachings as our Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) alongwith Sihaba-e-Kiram(RA0. and u straight away targeted the word JIHAD to finish it!
so u are not muslims. but the traitors and hypocrites.!
well mr.mercenary2k! According to my estimates, we need to eliminate 300 to 400 million people in america, israel, russia, india and britain alongwith NATO countriz to eliminate corruption and terrorism. ehh?
Captain FT, takfiri fatwas are expected from you. Typical of Taliban mentality.
Captain FT:
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ur saying and focusing taliban regardless what usa is doing which means that ur supporting their terrorism also. ehh?
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I don't support American drone attacks, but problem is that you think Taliban phenomenon's root cause is America, and I disagree with this analysis. Therefore I ask you not to cite American attacks when condemning Taliban fanatics. You need to learn to look at the two separately.
It's ok to condemn American actions, but not ok to cite these actions as "root cause" or justification of Taliban unIslamic activities.
This point not very hard to understand. Whether you understand or not, I hope readers could understand it.
It is arguable if any citizens were killed in American attack. But people like you are so quick to condemn American attacks while never starting any thread to condemn Taliban fanatics. America killing civilians is no different from Taliban killing people in their haram suicide attacks.
well khoji! im focusing on both sides, not on one side ok?
show me any comment in which i said that what taliban are doing is right?
im only saying to focus on 2 things not one player and i totally disagree with ur thought that american actions are not responsible for taliban actions.
show me any suicide incident before 9/11 in pakistan and USA by taliban?
our government and people were also supporting them our army supported them then at that time where were these suicide attacks?
all these attacks were started after america attacked afghanistan. what do ya say about this fact. ehh?
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show me any suicide incident before 9/11 in pakistan and USA by taliban
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It is because Pakistan was supporting the Taliban anti-Islam fanatics before 9/11. This is why they did not turn their guns against Pakistan army. They were rather focussed on killings Muslims in Afghanistan.
So this example of yours does not prove that Taliban fanaticism is related to American attacks. Taliban had their fasaad on against other Muslims before Americans got involve.d
show me any suicide incident before 9/11 in pakistan and USA by taliban?
Suicide bombing may not be there before 9/11 but taking control of an area and declaring "sharia enforcement" was there (remember 1994 TNSM in Malakand???).
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Here is another person today repeating what I just said about Taliban’s anti-Islam fasadi activities. Presently, Taliban are biggest enemy of Pakistan and Islam than America and India.
This is after today’s blast in a mosque.
DAWN.COM | - NWFP | Suicide bomber kills 50 in Jamrud mosque attack
‘It’s surprising, those who claim that they are doing jihad (holy war) and then carry out suicide attacks inside mosques during Friday prayers,’ Hayat Khan told a private television channel.
‘They are infidels. They are enemies of Pakistan. They are enemies of Islam,’ he said.
Re: Another drone attack in kurram agency, 21 martyred, 15 wounded
Hayat Khan must be an MQM member trying to defame great taliban.
Well kehkashan, ehtasab, khoji!
You said that suicide attacks were not in the past bcoz talibans were supported by our government and army.
and what about america who also supported taliban in 1979 against russia for its interst?
now as america also supported them so america itself is a terrorist
First of all, whether America is terrorist or not is not the question here. It is totally irrelevant here. Nobody will be 'hurt' if America is proved to be a terrorist, because no one is American here.
Secondly, if America is a terrorist because it supported fasadis in the past then you are also calling Pakistan a terrorist country, because Pakistan supported them too!
India also calls Pakistan a terrorist country. So you are playing in India's hands by using this argument, as you will end up calling Pakistan a terrorist country.
Pakistan purged, or is trying to purge, its army and ISI of the fasadi supporters. America also realized its mistake of supporting these monsters in the past. And reading your above post, I think you also consider Taliban to be terrorist fasadis. It's just that I haven't seen you calling them a terrorist directly. I hope people like you don't have any soft corner for these anti-Islam anti-Pakistan fasadis.
But I think the point made earlier is now clear. There is no relationship between America causing injustices towards Muslims in the world, and Taliban doing fasad in Muslims of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Taliban themselves are causing injustice and 'zulm' towards Muslims. Theirs are the forces of darkness which Muslims need to eradicate.
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Talibans are fasadis.
Its just that Americans are much bigger terrorists. You just need to look at civilian deaths caused by Talibans which is a fraction of those caused by the Americans.
Taliban are enemies of Pak and Islam. These barbarians need to be killed.
Anyone supporting these fasadis is a khariji and Pakistan's enemy just as these fanatics.
Taliban is the biggest threat Pak faces today. No one should try to justify acts of these fasadis in anyway. Because their fasad against Muslims will continue regardless of what non Muslims do.
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I would be willing to set a whole city ablaze if my son is killed in one of those 'drone attacks'.
^ This thought is unIslamic. But try imposing it on innocent people the fasadis have killed.
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^ this is how a person thinks who has recently lost his son. Islam, rationality, sensibility... doesn't work.
And are you suggesting that civilians are 'rightfully' killed by NATO and US forces?
kaka:
Every criminal tries to justify his crimes. But that does not make the crime Islamic and moral. He is still guilty in the court of God. He still deserves punishment.
Unfortunately, the kharijis commit these crimes in the name of Islam. This is why they are enemies of Islam.
Six security men die in Islamabad bombin
Mr Malik said that religious extremists operating in tribal areas had carried out the attack.
‘These elements are enemies of Pakistan. It’s a fight between Pakistan and the Taliban, and there is an urgent need of unity to combat them,’ he added.
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^ I am not disputing that what militants are doing is criminal and unislamic.
I only said that Islam would not mean anything to a person who has lost a dear one in this war against terrorism. That person can easily be brainwashed into doing anything. There are two questions, one is who is funding those terrorists. The other is why do ordinary people join terrorist organizations. I am trying to answer the second one. You just need to look at the civilian death toll during this war during the last eight years to know the extent of anger and hatred among people there.
Five years into the afghan war, the taliban were pushed into Pakistan where the incompetent Pakistan army did not have the means, guts or motivation to stop them. The generals were busy licking ass and making money out of the ‘war on terror’. The Brigadiers were looking out for their promotions. The colonels were busy scrambling for plots in DHAs. The majors thinking about postings at tourist destinations. Captains too dumb to think about anything.
Look at the motivation of hash smoking, charsi afghan army and tell me why Islam doesn’t motivate them enough to defend their country: