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Sherry Rehman did adopted right approach but her efforts was lost by the work of slain Governor ( whom party forgot completely and nothing being done on his 40th ( chaliswaaN)

as for the demonstration, iam pretty much sure that they are staged by Molana Diesel so the govt takes him back,

Govt. have categorically denied any changes to be made in the said law so why the demonstration! doesn’t make any sense to me ?..

i am sure the day, govt. adopt molana ( who left the govt thinking of something big) these demonstration will be gone

remember Sherry Rehman’s amendment to the law was done somewhere in last November and nothing big happened, even Diesel never said anything serious about it… the demonstrations only started once molana was out…

It is sad but true that religious sentiments are being used for the wrong reasons and for wrong purposes…

May Allah be our Guide

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Sherry’s amendment is only talked about, I dont think its been presented, hasnt been accepted. Wait till that happens, and then see how the mullay react. Back when the hudood laws were tabled, we had the same reaction from the same parties… only part of the right wing was allied with the govt, and part of the opposition (PPP) backed the changes… so they passed. Taseer may have raised awareness about the issue, and have therefore heightened the defensive Mulla Force. Had it not been for Taseer god knows only minorities ministers would have been raising their voices on this issue. That PPP is distancing itself from Taseer and is embracing the Baber Awan/Rehman Malik camp is another sad development.

Im sure you are right about JUI’s political machinations having a role to play in all this. If only it was limited to them though. Yesterday’s rally involved a whole consortium of mullay and mulla-wannabes.

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Yes, it is true. These laws have been on books since 1860, and main reason for these laws was to keep communal harmony between Hindus and Muslims. The laws still exists on books even in India, but you never hear about anyone being sentenced to death for blasphemy. What Zia did was he added mandatory death sentence for blasphemy.

British government had enacted a similar law in the Sub-continent in 1860, and amended it with imprisonment clause for blasphemers in 1927 soon after Ghazi Ilm Din’s incident. However, the disputed point regarding blasphemy law in Pakistan between the divided sections is not blasphemy law itself but only its death penalty clause, which was inserted into law by General Zia-ul-Haq.

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^ just to add to that, it isnt a mandatory death sentence for any kind of blasphemy, just one that would offend Muslims. Any blasphemy Muslims commit against others can only get 3 years jail.

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Prof should get nishan-e-haider for this bravery.....

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You know that for Nishan-e-Haider, one have to die as well

Jee tu chata hay kay shaheed ho jayaiN
per suna hay jaan say maar daytay haiN

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Talk about beating a dead horse! The PPP has already backed down. You wanna complain I suggest you complain to the current government that is unwilling to change the laws.

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^^^ After assassination of Salman Taseer, you can't really blame anyone for not backing down. Mullahs aren't democracy friendly where you win or lose by debating the issues...they also use guns when they're about to lose. The sad part is, this law has nothing to with Islam, and if fact were enacted by non-muslims, but it was made halal by Zia's regime.

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these are your assumptions, actually allegations... where in my post i wrote that i want this? i dont understand how can one derive this idea from my post????

all i'm saying is, let the legal process complete as per law... and dont start bashing the one who tried to bring a "criminal offense (as per law)" to light, if you have problem with the law, pursue the politicians you support to alter it if they can... and i will say that the law in itself is not problem, its just incomplete, and our lazy politicians for unknown reasons dont want to complete it... all they need is to add to this law the punishment for those accused someone of blasphemy but could not prove it

and you did not answer the question in my first post

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Courage is not the absence of fear. But the ability to over come it.

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If you dont want this, then like me you think the law should be changed, because as per you everyone acted according to the law but still brought about consequences that are complete BS.

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all i'm saying is, let the legal process complete as per law... and dont start bashing the one who tried to bring a "criminal offense (as per law)" to light, if you have problem with the law, pursue the politicians you support to alter it if they can... and i will say that the law in itself is not problem, its just incomplete, and our lazy politicians for unknown reasons dont want to complete it... all they need is to add to this law the punishment for those accused someone of blasphemy but could not prove it

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First off, the politicians arent lazy,they are afraid. Secondly just because a bad law exists does not mean it should be enforced, nor does it absolve those utilizing it of their responsibility. The professor was under no obligation to report the kid. There is an existing punishment already on hand in exams, built into the system: deduct marks. Hell.. fail him.

And finally, this post reveals your desire to have it both ways. You deny that you want the consequences that I described (factual, recent consequences). Yet you say that the law is only incomplete in not having penalties for those who fabricate the charges. But in these cases the charges were proven in court, and were found to have factual basis. So my previous assertions about you werent just allegations were they?

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and you did not answer the question in my first post
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That if its law it should be reported? I did implicitly, no just because its law does not mean it should be enforced, nor does it mean that the Professor had no option get the kid in jail. Many societies have regressive/cruel/discriminatory laws, or laws that allow cruelty or discrimination. If it was legal to kill your daughter in pre-Islamic times it wasnt moral to do so.

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/01/student-arrested-for-blasphemous-exam-answer.html
Student arrested for ‘blasphemous’ exam answer

AP
(30 minutes ago) Today

http://www.dawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/blasphemy-pro-reu-543.jpgA supporter of a religious party holds a placard during a rally in support of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws in Lahore January 30, 2011. – Photo by Reuters

KARACHI: Police have arrested a 17-year old Pakistani boy for writing an allegedly blasphemous remark in an examination paper, an officer said Tuesday.
Pakistan’s blasphemy laws have come under intense scrutiny since the murder of a prominent politician last month who had campaigned to change them. They allow for the death penalty for anyone found guilty of insulting Islam. Critics say they are often used to settle scores and unfairly target the country’s non-Muslim minorities.
School authorities lodged a police complaint against the boy, identified as Sami Ullah, in January after reading an examination paper he took in the city of Karachi, said police officer Qudrat Shah Lodhi.
Lodhi said he could not repeat what the boy, who is a Muslim, had written because he would be committing blasphemy if he did. He said the boy told police he wrote the blasphemous material out of frustration when he was not able to answer the exam question.
”He submitted an apology to the examination authorities and feels ashamed and depressed,” Lodhi said He said Ullah had been placed in police custody while officers investigated the case.
No one has been put to death for blasphemy, and most times guilty verdicts are overturned on appeal. But there have been several documented cases of mobs killing people accused of blasphemy.
Critics have said the laws either need to be repealed or amended to stop them from being abused or applied frivolously. But Pakistan’s powerful clerical class have campaigned against any change in the laws, and portrayed their critics as being anti-Islam _ a potent charge in this Muslim-majority nation. – AP

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No sympathy yet. Clear difference between past cases. Leaving a blank answer is acceptable. Writing blasphemy of any sort is no "joke", and not acceptable. Let's see what the courts have to say...apparently there is written evidence....

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Cop out. The fact is, the laws have popular support. Blame the mullah all you want...

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Im sure there is little sympathy in certain quarters. Lack of empathy is infact one of the unifying aspects of the right wing these days. As for the laws having popular support, the real question is would such laws have been passed by a democratic assembly. Its not clear they would be. What we have evidence for is that the mulla class is very good at mobilising, and scaring opponents into submission using violence or the threat of it. What is not clear, given the stances of parties such as PPP, MQM, ANP and certain segments of PML(N) (Punjab's law minister is on record saying that 295(a) is sufficient) that had these laws come before them now they would have passed. The opposition to the bill's repeal is led by JI, JUI and, lately, PML(Q). Not exactly parliamentary powerhouses.

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Please don't be naive, secular degenerates and their patrons in the West only want selective and conditional democracy...

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Unlike religious right, who do not believe in any kind of democratic order at all, yet hypocritically use democracy to advance their own political agenda. They believe in murder, mayhem & believe that they have divine mission to kill anyone who doesn't support their jaliyaat. Murder of Governor Salman Tanseer & Mufti Naeem is proof of that.

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how naive, how innocent... now someone will group together Taseer with Mufti Naeem (may ALLAH shower blessings on him)

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ravage, i see that we are not going anywhere with it... so will hold fast your ground, i wont let mine go. then its pointless argument if we two have clash of basic beliefs... further more, you chose to distort and twist what i say and happily choose to decide what "I Think"...

just a file note from me on this, blasphemy law is inline with shariah, no muslim can ever tolerate disrespect or "jokes" against Rasool Allah :SAW2: the punishment for this offense is clear and agreed upon by all sects and schools of thought in Islam. So this law is not going anywhere, not anytime sooner. not until a ruler like west lover, america's feet licker mush is made to rule the country... yes we can stream line the law, yes we can protected the innocent against false accusations, yes we can make sure that nobody uses is for their own vested interests, yes we can make sure that law prevails, but no easy getting away with pealing off the law...

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Pakistan: Drop Blasphemy Charges Against 17-Year-Old

(New York) - The Pakistani government should immediately drop blasphemy charges against a 17-year-old student and ensure his safe release from detention, Human Rights Watch said today.
The authorities arrested Muhammad Samiullah on January 28, 2011, and charged him under Pakistan’s “blasphemy law,” article 295-C of the criminal code, for allegedly including derogatory remarks about the Prophet Muhammad in his answers on a written school exam in April 2010. According to press reports, police at Shahra Noor Jahan Police Station in Karachi registered a case against Samiullah after receiving a complaint from the chief controller of the intermediate level education board. On January 29, a judicial magistrate, Ehsan A. Malik, ordered Samiullah sent to a juvenile prison pending trial.
“Pakistan has set the standard for intolerance when it comes to misusing blasphemy laws, but sending a schoolboy to jail for something he scribbled on an exam paper is truly appalling,” said Bede Sheppard, senior children’s rights researcher at Human Rights Watch. “It’s bad enough that a school official flagged it, but for police and judicial authorities to go ahead and lock up a teenager under these circumstances is mind boggling.” The police have said that they cannot report exactly what was written in the exam paper as doing so would also amount to blasphemy.
The Convention on the Rights of the Child, an international treaty to which Pakistan is a party, guarantees everyone under age 18 the right to freedom of expression, thought, conscience, and religion. Section 295-C of Pakistan’s penal code makes the death penalty mandatory for blasphemy. Although this case involves a Muslim, Human Rights Watch has documented how the law is often used to persecute and discriminate against religious minorities in Pakistan.
Pakistan has applied the blasphemy law to children before, Human Rights Watch said. On February 9, 1995, Salamat Masih, a Pakistani Christian boy who was then 14 was sentenced to death for blasphemy by a lower court in Lahore, Pakistan, for allegedly writing derogatory remarks about the Prophet Muhammad on the wall of a mosque. He was also sentenced to two years’ hard labor and fined. Masih was acquitted on February 23, 1995, because the court found that he was, in fact, illiterate. Masih then fled the country out of concerns for his safety. Justice Arif Iqbal Bhatti, who acquitted Masih, was assassinated in his chambers at the Lahore High Court in 1997. The assassin, who was subsequently arrested, claimed to have murdered the judge as revenge for acquitting Masih.
Hundreds of people have been charged under section 295-C since it was added to the penal code in 1986 by Gen. Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the military ruler at that time. In 2009, authorities charged scores of people under the law, including at least 50 members of the Ahmadiyya religious community. Many of those charged remain in prison.
Pakistani and international human rights organizations have long called for the repeal of the blasphemy law. The law has come under renewed scrutiny in recent months as a consequence of a death sentence imposed on November 8, 2010, on Aasia Bibi, an illiterate farmhand from Sheikhupura district in Punjab province. Extremists responded to government attempts to pardon Aasia Bibi with a campaign of intimidation, violence, and threats against critics of the law. On January 5, Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab province, was assassinated, and the man charged with the killing said he had committed the crime because Taseer had called the blasphemy law a “black law.” Sherry Rehman, Pakistan’s former information minister who in November proposed a parliamentary bill to amend the law, has also received death threats, which Pakistan’s government has ignored.
“While Pakistan’s government keeps up the mantra that it will not allow ‘misuse’ of the law, government inaction has only emboldened extremists,” Sheppard said. “Until this law is repealed, it will be used to brutalize religious minorities, children, and other vulnerable groups.”