Another attack on Pakistani military, militants coming from Afghanistan

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@ali

ISAF is not incompetent - they are afraid of their media taking pictures of flag draped coffins returning to their home countries.

If the ISAF had wanted to really win the Afghan War II - they would have committed three times the number of troops that they originally did and posted them on the porous Afghan border with Pakistan. That way when they would undertake operation inside Afghanistan - the Taliban would not have had any where to run. Think about it - if you know there's a robber in the house - you make sure that when you go in from the front door - he doesn't escape through the back door.

I think it was much easier for them to take the mainland of Afghanistan - and essentially allow militants to seep into Pakistan.

It is our fault as well - in that the Pakistan Army should have been on the border making sure no infiltration takes place. Especially since we were getting billions of dollars in aid.

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^ agreed with you that Pakistan should have amassed their forces along the border, Pakistan has spent much more on this war as compared the much touted American money in return. The Americans are spending billions and billions of dollars in Afghanistan each day for detecting landlines, trying to buy the taleban and what not, they have the latest gadgets which Pakistan army kept asking for but the Americans started looking the other way. How could have the Pakistani army matched the American army in Afghanistan, look at the performance of isaf in Afghanistan considering the resources at their disposal.

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I hear security is very good these days in Afghanistan under control of US+NATO etc as well as in Iraq, is that true?

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Before making any judgement we should see that America is a super power, and Pakistan at the moment is in a really bad position economically.Keeping that in mind I have two very simple questions.

1) when Pakistan started operation in dir and mohmand, why did Americans vacate their posts on the afghan side which provided the terrorists a sanctuary?

2) the Americans can target even moving vehicles on the Pakistani side, them how come their drones can't see hundreds of terrorists running towards the Pakistani side, attacking and returning back to their bases?

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The answer is right in front of everyone to see but some people to chose to look sideways.

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I think they will do the same once Pakistan starts operation in NWA, provide sanctuaries to all anti American groups in Afghanistan and then it will become Pakistan's problem to deal with all the terrorists with its meagre resources and ailing economy. Hence victory of Americans in Afghanistan, with an 'unstable nuclear' Pakistan as a consequence. And a justification for Americans to have their bases in this region for a long long time, and the main reason for that would be to counter the influence of China and resurgent Russia in the region. Afghanistan and Pakistan are just pawns to achieve much bigger objectives in Middle East, South, and Central Asia which will become clearer with the passage of time.

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http://news.yahoo.com/taliban-commander-back-air-pakistan-094035233.html

Taliban commander back on the air in Pakistan

By ANWARULLAH KHAN - Associated Press,SEBASTIAN ABBOT - Associated Press | AP – 3 hrs ago

KHAR, Pakistan (AP) — **One of Pakistan’s most notorious Talibanradio voices is back on the air after the army raided his stronghold last year and drove him across the border into Afghanistan.
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**The resurgence of Maulvi Faqir Mohammed — also one of the Pakistani Taliban’s top commanders — illustrates the resilience of militants fighting to topple the U.S.-allied Pakistani government and the growing problem of sanctuaries in eastern Afghanistan that allow fighters to elude the army’s grasp.
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**“We will return and enforce the golden system of Islam,” Mohammed said in a recent radio broadcast from his new base in Afghanistan. “All of those who have turned their backs on us — like we are gone for good — should seek forgiveness from Allah.”
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Militants and their supporters in Pakistan have long used illegal FM radio stations to spread their message and incite violence against the government. The tactic is hard to counter because the equipment needed is cheap and easily transportable.

Mohammed was one of the most prominent militant radio personalities before the army invaded his enclave early last year in the Bajur tribal area, about 125 miles (200 kilometers) northwest of the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.

**Many of the militants in Bajur, including Mohammed, simply slipped across the border into Kunar province, an area of Afghanistan where the U.S. has largely withdrawn its troops. Kunar has turned into a staging ground for large-scale attacks inside Pakistan, according to the Pakistani army.
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The most recent such assault in Bajur occurred Monday when around 60 Pakistani Taliban militants sent by Mohammed stormed a paramilitary checkpoint, killing one soldier and wounding three others, said local officials.
**Mohammed claimed responsibility for the attack, as well a similar one by at least 100 militants on several border villages in Bajur in mid-June that killed at least five people.
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“Our fighters carried out these two attacks from Afghanistan, and we will launch more such attacks inside Afghanistan and in Pakistan,” said Mohammed over the Voice of Sharia radio in his measured, matter-of-fact style.
**His on-air reply after the June attack: “Don’t dare stand in the way of those who are following the path of God.”
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Radio is the main connection to the outside world for most tribesmen in Bajur and other areas along the Afghan-Pakistan border because they can’t afford satellite television dishes, and the infrastructure needed for cable TV is usually nonexistent.

Mohammed and his associates transmit for two and a half hours every day beginning at 8 p.m., although sometimes the broadcast is overpowered by a station run by the paramilitary Frontier Corps, said Gul Ahmed Jan, the owner of a grocery store near Khar, the main town in Bajur.

Mohammed gives half-hour sermons three times per week in which he encourages locals to participate in jihad, or holy war, and warns them against cooperating with Pakistani authorities.

“This war is between Islam and infidels, and every Muslim is duty-bound to take part,” said Mohammed on his show “The Leader Says.”

His brother, Gul Mohammed, who claims to have been tortured by Pakistan’s security forces, often rails against alleged mistreatment of tribesmen by the Pakistani army and Frontier Corps. The station also plays songs praising suicide bombers, even though some radical Islamists, including the Afghan Taliban, have denounced music of any kind.
**“Look, the lucky guy is on the way to heaven,” said one song. “Young man, how great you are.”
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Militants from the Swat Valley in nearby Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province are often invited to participate as guest speakers. Their leader, Mullah Fazlullah, was Pakistan’s most active Taliban radio personality before the army invaded Swat in 2009, earning him the nickname “Mullah Radio.” He is also believed to be in Kunar, according to the Pakistani army and Bajur residents, but he hasn’t resurfaced on the radio.

**The Pakistani army has complained that U.S. and Afghan forces have done nothing to address the growing number of militants who have holed up in Kunar after fleeing military operations on the Pakistan side of the border. The U.S. withdrew many of its troops from Kunar in the past year so it could focus on more populated areas that it deems more strategic.
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**“There is no effort to act against these strongholds or sanctuaries,” said Pakistan army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas. “Many terrorist leaders are gathered there, and there is no pressure on them to leave.”
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**The army claims that groups of up to 300 militants have staged at least five cross-border attacks in the last month, killing 55 paramilitary soldiers and tribal police.
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A senior Western intelligence official, however, expressed doubt about Pakistan’s figures and whether all the attacks came from bases in Afghanistan. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss intelligence matters.

Pakistani is also under U.S. pressure to focus offensives on their side of the border, particularly in the North Waziristan area that is home to the Haqqani network. The U.S. military views the Haqqani faction as the most dangerous militant group fighting in Afghanistan.
“As these cross-border raids mount, Pakistan will have less and less inclination, resources and resolve to launch operations against the Haqqani network,” said Riffat Hussain, a defense professor at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad.

The Afghan government has accused Pakistan of launching over 750 rockets into Kunar since May, killing at least 40 people and increasing tension between the two countries.

The Pakistani army has denied intentionally firing rockets into Afghanistan, but acknowledges that some rounds it fired at militants staging cross-border attacks may have accidentally fallen into the country.

**Mohammed, the Taliban commander, doesn’t seem fazed by the rocket barrage.
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“Just like the Americans were defeated in Afghanistan and are withdrawing, the Pakistani army will soon leave Bajur,” said Mohammed over the radio.
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Abbot reported from Islamabad. Associated Press Writer Habib Khan contributed to this report from Khar.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tensions-rise-along-afghan-pakistan-border/2011/07/10/gIQARXQr7H_story.html?hpid=z2
Tensions rise along Afghan-Pakistan border

[ and making them worry about coming over and laying down their arms.”

The timing of the accusations could have political benefits for both countries. Afghanistan is negotiating a strategic partnership with the United States that would outline the two nations’ relationship after 2014. Afghanistan has demanded weaponry such as fighter jets and tanks, both of which U.S. officials think the young Afghan army does not need; the cross-border violence could bolster Afghanistan’s claims that it is under threat from neighbors.

Pakistan, meanwhile, is facing cuts in military aid from U.S. lawmakers fuming over the discovery of Osama bin Laden there, and its army has deep concerns about a militant backlash as Americans draw down.**

It is nearly impossible to verify what has occurred along the mountainous and remote border section in question, which abuts far northwestern Pakistan. NATO forces have little presence on the Afghan side, and Pakistan’s army has few troops on its side. The span is largely monitored by weak police forces, as well as by tribal militias in Pakistan.

Afghan officials said the Pakistani military began firing mortar rounds, rockets and other heavy artillery across the frontier in late March. Afghan security officials in those areas say they have documented deaths and injuries to scores of civilians, including children. The Konar police chief, in a June 23 letter to the Interior Ministry’s human rights department, called the strikes “a clear violation of human rights” by the Pakistani military.

Pakistan says groups of about 300 armed militants have charged on six occasions from Afghan hideouts into Pakistan, most recently Wednesday. Civilians have also been abducted and killed and buildings set aflame, said an army spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas. He said that Pakistani forces’ response to such attacks “may have resulted accidentally in some rounds falling on the other side” but that the Afghan claims are “highly exaggerated.”

**Rahimullah Yousafzai, an editor with the Pakistani daily the News who is an authority on the area’s militant groups, said such shelling would fit a pattern. “Pakistani forces just fire indiscriminately from wherever they’re attacked. They also kill civilians here in Pakistan,” he said, referring to similar assertions by residents of areas where the army has battled insurgents.

In its defense, the Pakistani military has stepped up criticism of Afghan forces and the U.S.-led NATO coalition, which it says jeopardized Pakistani military gains along the border by inadequately guarding the Afghan side. Pakistani officials said the attackers are mostly Pakistani Taliban fighters who were expelled by army offensives but easily found shelter among their Afghan brethren — a reversal of long-standing U.S. complaints that Pakistan has allowed the Afghan Taliban sanctuary in its lawless border belt.

U.S. military officials acknowledge that Pakistani Taliban fighters have found refuge in eastern Afghanistan’s mountains. Some Pakistani officials suggest that Afghanistan is encouraging the militant sieges to stoke problems.
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“What more can we do?” said a Pakistani military official, who said Afghan officials have rejected Pakistani suggestions to fence or mine the border. “They should accept their responsibility and not always press us for more.”

Pakistani Taliban spokesmen, in statements and interviews, have asserted responsibility for the attacks, which they call retaliation for past army operations. Some said a small number of Afghan fighters also have participated.

Unevenly matched armies

Some observers say that no matter the scale, the shelling amounts to a blunt display of aggression by Pakistan’s army — a force that has been unable to contain a fierce domestic insurgency but that remains far stronger than its nascent Afghan counterpart. One senior Afghan official, who is close to Karzai and who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive issue, said he thought Pakistan seeks to provoke and show its might to the United States as the two nations’ alliance frays in the wake of bin Laden’s killing.

Nader Khan Katawazi, an Afghan parliament member from the east, said Pakistan “wants to show the world that it still has the power to control Afghanistan after the foreign troops leave.”

The senior Afghan official said Karzai, who regularly condemns NATO troops for civilian casualties, has shown restraint because he realizes the weak Afghan army cannot seriously confront Pakistan.

Against the backdrop, some analysts said, they fear militants on both sides are working together more closely and increasing their territory along the border region. Bilateral disputes will only benefit them, Yousafzai said.
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“Those areas have now become a problem — they are now being used by the militants on both sides,” he said, referring to regions where military presence is light or which have been vacated by U.S. troops, including parts of Konar. “This problem is going to become even more acute as NATO forces withdraw.”**

Special correspondents Sayed Salahuddin and Javed Hamdard in Kabul and Haq Nawaz Khan in Peshawar, Pakistan, contributed to this report.](“http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tensions-rise-along-afghan-pakistan-border/2011/07/10/gIQARXQr7H_story.html?hpid=z2”)

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As far as the Upper Dir border is concerned, I have confirmed info that Pak army never showed up yet to confront the militents. The conmmunity police( who are recently hired for villages security with the help of USAID and who have minimal training) are deployed on the border to fight the militents and because of their lack of training they being killed in masses.

What is the function of this army who uses most of the country resources - aren't they supposed to gauard our borders?

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^^^ Our borders? Weren't you arguing against the very concept in other thread?

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The army is raising militias to fight taleban which could create problems in the future...

anyways I believe the army should leave afghanistan alone, and concentrate on fixing pakistan's problems first, as they might eventually lose pakistan in their quest to subdue afghanistan! if the afghan taleban want to make peace with afghan govt let them do that. we should solve our terrorist problems first, and work on improving our economy. our non intereference in afghanistan might improve the relations with afghanistan in the long run. the relations of pakistan should be with the afghan nation/government (doesnt matter who is in power) and not revolving around our strategic assets...

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Well said!

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For your information Afghans and our own Tribes both resist any sealing of the border they are strictly against it

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Probably a really really bad idea, but how much would it cost of totally mine/wall/fence the FATA/Afhganistan border so no one crosses from one side to the other?

I know that people living on either side of the border are related to each other - how common is this - how common is it for people to cross over from one side to the other because they want to relatives?

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It is very common it happens almost on daily basis so they strictly oppose this idea that is why Quaid E Azam pulled out all the troops from our tribal areas in 1948 and their were no soldiers thier till Musharraf the biggest traitor made the biggest blunder and sent our Army in the tribals areas which have resulted in so many killings in Pakistan

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so what if there are "relatives" on both sides, when Pakistan was created a border divided families same way, and if border is to be sealed for "security" reasons than there is nothing more important than national security for a small number of families who will suffer the divide.

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According to news Karzai's brother has been shot dead by body guard. Seems Afghans are also learning stuff from us.