Anger on Saudi Arabia's streets

Anger on Saudi Arabia’s streets

By Roger Hardy
BBC Middle East analyst

Roger Hardy finds himself caught up in an unprecedented protest in the conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

A rare protest in Saudi Arabia
It was a situation journalists sometimes find themselves in - you are suddenly in the middle of something unexpected, and you haven’t the faintest idea what it is.

I was trying to leave the capital Riyadh and catch a flight to Jeddah, but the car from the Ministry of Information got caught up in more than usually heavy traffic.

As I looked out of the car window, it gradually dawned on me that something odd was happening.

There were police everywhere - and groups of sullen-looking young men.

I watched them pick up a piece of wood and fling it into the road in front of a car that, like mine, was stuck in the traffic.

Ordinary Saudis say the princes are afraid of losing their power
It seemed like a small and futile act of defiance.

But defiance of what - and why?

By now, the driver from the ministry was looking uncomfortable and glancing anxiously at his watch. At this rate we would miss the plane.

After he had struggled with the traffic for a few more minutes, I finally asked him to turn round and go back to the hotel.

He spoke nervously into his mobile phone, and reluctantly complied.

Calling for reform

It took me several hours to find out what had actually happened - and to discover I had been on the fringe of an unprecedented demonstration in the Saudi capital.

By the time I got to the scene of the protest - an ultra-modern skyscraper known as the Kingdom Centre - it was evening and the crowds had gone, and the building itself stood cool and serene, bathed in ever-changing colours.

Only a few police cars remained, keeping a watchful eye on the scene.

Many Saudis scrape a menial existence away from the modern city centre
Eyewitnesses told me what had happened.

Hundreds of Saudis had gathered near the Kingdom Centre that afternoon - perhaps as many as 500, they told me, though officials later spoke of half that number.

They had called for political reform and the release of political prisoners.

There had been men with beards chanting “God is great”, a small number of women, and a lot of young people - or “shebab” as they are called in Arabic. Many of them, without doubt, unemployed young men with nothing else to do.

One Saudi told me Riyadh had never seen anything like it.

The authorities were embarrassed that such a protest could occur in the heart of their capital - on the very day they were hosting the country’s first human rights conference.

And they were stung by the fact that the call for the demonstration had come from a Saudi dissident in London.

I went back to the hotel and filed my piece. But for me at least, the day’s drama was not over.

Hidden discontent

Later that night I walked back to the Kingdom Centre and the complex of shops and offices that surrounds it. After a while I found a taxi.

Now I know you are always hearing journalists telling you what they have heard from taxi drivers, but this journey was something special.

For one thing, it was a Saudi driver rather than the usual Pakistani or Bangladeshi ones you get in Saudi Arabia.

Did he know, I wondered, about the demonstration earlier that day? He did, but at first he was reluctant to talk about it. Then, gradually, he began to open up.

As we drove past Debenhams, Harvey Nichols, and Marks & Spencers - yes, they really do have branches in Riyadh - my taxi driver scoffed.

You should see how real Saudis live, he said - and that is what we did.

You Westerners get it wrong. You think what’s going on here is all about religion and extremism. But that’s a problem that can probably be solved

He drove out of the centre of town and showed me the downbeat suburbs where poorer Saudis - many, like him, with large families - live side-by-side with the Filipinos and Pakistanis and Bangladeshis who work in shops and wait at tables and clean the streets.

The drab apartment blocks and rubbish-strewn streets were a world away from glitzy, downtown Riyadh.

Later that night, on the edge of the city, we passed the sprawling Al-Hamra housing compound, scene of co-ordinated suicide attacks in May which killed 35 people.

The attacks jolted Saudis into realising that Osama Bin Laden’s jihad had arrived in their own front yard.

And we passed a big fenced-off compound owned by one of the wealthy princes of the ruling family - the Ali Babas, as the taxi-driver called them sardonically.

And I thought back to what I had heard a few days before from a Saudi businessman, a shrewd observer of his country’s politics - and of the West.

“You Westerners get it wrong,” he told me. "You think what’s going on here is all about religion and extremism. But that’s a problem that can probably be solved.

The real issue - he said - was accountability. If the princes responded to pressures for change by democratising, they would end up losing their power and privileges.

And that, he said, was why real reform - radical reform - just was not on the cards.

Comment:

The muslims are finally waking to the fact that rulers are agents of the west who squander the wealth of the ummah on building palaces and living a westernised life of women, alcohol and drugs. The time has come for the ummah to remove their leaders and establish the system ordained in the Quran by Allah swt.

Source??

And what about those who blow themselves up and commit sucidie in Mecca? Should we not protest against them?

Just heard their were some large explosions in Riyadh. Goes to show no one is safe from the monster of terrorism.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
And what about those who blow themselves up and commit sucidie in Mecca? Should we not protest against them?
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Imdad, I think those who blew themselves up were also against the regime but almost caught. To avoid being tortured for "truth" they blew themselves. This is what I have read about them on the net. Sad that it happened in Mecca.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Imdad, I think those who blew themselves up were also against the regime but almost caught. To avoid being tortured for "truth" they blew themselves. This is what I have read about them on the net. Sad that it happened in Mecca.
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Why did they have bombs in the first place? Either way, suicide is not allowed in Islam.

I also have a question. What would you all say if America were to forcibly remove the corrupt Saudi monarchy? Would that be supported since the Saudi government is so evil?

^^ America wouldn't remove the regime because its evil. Thats where the conflict between OBL and America started. America was supporting those dense prince and stupid monarchy.
Saudis on national level should get rid of monarchy and stay as far away from america as they can.

So if America attacked and removed the Saudi regime you would support it right?

What have the Muslims accomplished in removing dictator regimes in Muslim countries? Why was Saddam still in power until America kicked him out?

Why is the Saudi government still in power? Why is Musharraf still in power? I could go on, but my point is that Muslims would rather sit on their behind and blame America instead of doing anything. And when America does anything, they are to blame. When America does nothing, they are still to blame.

So ask yourself this, America liberated Europe defeated The USSR in the Cold War, while Muslims cannot even liberate themselves.

And this is how “Muslims” are removing the Saudi regime? American invasion would be better then this.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
What have the Muslims accomplished in removing dictator regimes in Muslim countries? Why was Saddam still in power until America kicked him out?

Why is the Saudi government still in power? Why is Musharraf still in power? I could go on, but my point is that Muslims would rather sit on their behind and blame America instead of doing anything. And when America does anything, they are to blame. When America does nothing, they are still to blame.

So ask yourself this, America liberated Europe defeated The USSR in the Cold War, while Muslims cannot even liberate themselves.
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In Iran, the brutal and repressive regime of the Shah was overthrown by popular rebellion.

Imdad, what I am pointing to is that there is struggle against regime, not necessarily I agree with the approach. What do you think should the approach be? Keep in your mind the "dictatorial" nature of kingdom.

Why "Muslims" were not able to remove Saddam? Guess who built the monster? He turned evil and the "king-makers" turned their eyes away, what happens? rest is history.

you do like bombing of innocents, colonialization, don’t you?

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
you do like bombing of innocents, colonialization, don't you?
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Just as much as you like bombing, shooting of innocents by al-qaeda and it's affiliated groups.

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
In Iran, the brutal and repressive regime of the Shah was overthrown by popular rebellion.
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And replaced by another brutal repressive regime.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Imdad, what I am pointing to is that there is struggle against regime, not necessarily I agree with the approach. What do you think should the approach be? Keep in your mind the "dictatorial" nature of kingdom.
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Peaceful non violent mass protests can do wonders. Terrorism does nothing but kill people needlessly.

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Why "Muslims" were not able to remove Saddam? Guess who built the monster? He turned evil and the "king-makers" turned their eyes away, what happens? rest is history.
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Saddam was created by his own society, nobody else. He took power himself. Same with the other Arab and Muslim dictators, most of them are created from within the society.

v can always point to others mistakes but not ours.v can speak what saudis can do cannot do must do mustnt do. but r v doin anything about our own country is what is important.v havent yet reached the stage where v can tell others what they need to do
till then.....
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casualties in the 100s today from the carbombings.

really..quite disgusting.

Salaam ALeykum brother Imdad

What solution from Islam do you think muslims should follow to change our current situation?

  1. The western solutions totally
  2. The Islamic solutions
  3. Do nothing
  4. Wait for Imam Mahdi
  5. Other please elaborate.

JazakAllah khair in advance

Showkat

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *

In Iran, the brutal and repressive regime of the Shah was overthrown by popular rebellion.
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The US regime still hasn't got over this.

They had a nice cozy relationship with the Shah who supplied unlimited oil in return for a few kick back directly into his pockets.

The US fears democracy in the oil rich states, I mean look at India if it had oil it'd have to pay 1/2 million people off before a barrel got into a boat.