An Alternative to Peshawar Nights

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The Shi'ites curse Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman (may Allah be
pleased with them), along with all the rulers of the Islamic Nation, with
the exception of 'Ali. They fabricated a lie and attributed it to the Imam
Abul Hasan 'Ali bin Muhammad bin 'Ali bin Moosa, claiming that he
approved of his followers calling Abu Bakr and 'Umar "Al-jibt wat-
Taaghoot". 20 This claim was made in one of their most extensive works
on the science of the ascertation of the veracity and competence of the
narrators of Prophetic Traditions, Tanqeehul-Maqaal fee Ahwaalir-
Rijaal, by a sheikh of the Ja'fari sect Allama Ath-Thani Ayatullah Al-
Mamqaani.' 21 

Al-Mamqaani referred to the scholar Ash-Sheikh Muhammad bin

Idrees Al-Hilli's book As-Saraa'ir, in which Al-Hilli cited the work
Massaa'ilur-aijaal wa Mukaatabaatihim ila Mowlaana Abil-Hasan 'Ali
bin Muhammad bin 'Ali bin Moosa, the subject of which is questions
and letters directed to Abil Hasan 'Ali bin Muhammad. Among them is
a question from Muhammad bin 'Ali, who is quoted as saying: 

   I wrote to him asking about ar-naasib [one who is hostile to

Ahlil-Bait]. I asked him whether I needed proof of his hostility towards
Ahlil-Bait other than his recognition of Al-jibt wat-Taaghoot i.e. Abu
Bakr and 'Umar] as the rightful holders of the office of imam [leader of
the Muslim community]. His reply was that anyone whose condition
was like that just described, was adequately shown to be a naasib. 

Thus, any person would be counted as an enemy of the Prophet's

family merely by his giving precedence of rank to Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq
and 'Umar Al-Farooq, and by his acknowledging their positions as
imams.
The expression "Al-Jibt wat-Taaghoot" is used by the Shi'ites in
the prayer of imprecation which they call "Du'aa Sanamay Quraish"
(imprecation against the two idols of the Quraish). They mean by these
expressions, the two caliphs Abu Bakr and 'Umar (may Allah be pleas-
ed with them). This vicious Shi'ite prayer of imprecation is mentioned
in their book Miftahul-Jinaan; it reads: "O Allah, bestow Your blessings
upon the Holy Prophet Muhammad and upon his family, and curse
the two idols of the Quraish, their Al-Jibt wat-Taaghoot, as well as their
two daughters..." They are referring to the two Mothers of the
Believers, Aa'ishah and Hafsah, the pure and noble wives of the Pro-
phet (may Allah be pleased with them).

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Xtreme,

May I caution - that you pls stay within the confines of the debate, which is - Hazrat Ali was the rightful successor to the Holy Prophet; and we have provided quotes that are substantiated by both the Sunni & Shia scholars. All you do is copy & paste from Sunni sites inimical to Shias.

Pls do not DIGRESS from the topic by your repeated condemnation of the Shia Faith, Stick to the topic of debate or, do not post at all.

Iqadeer - your comments reflect what I am trying to say here.
To you must be said:
"Silly people with their silly delusions."

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wowwyi or whatever,
For weirdo shias like you a kick in the balls will suffice to keep your smart mouth from uttering its filth. There is no use discussing these issues with munafiq shias since they are hell-bent upon defaming the honorable sahaba (ridwan ullah ajmaeen) and the ummahat-ul-mo'mineen. Shias are the bye-product of iranian superiority complex who never really accepted the rule of arabs over them. Even until now these persians consider themselves racially superior to the arabs. They hide behind the fake love of ahle-bayt to disguise their real motive of hatred to Islam. Infact they are worse than jews in their treachery and must be dealt with even before the kuffar, i.e. exterminated along with their munafiq philosophy.

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wowyi...you were quick to point out xtreme's and iqadeer's comments, yet you failed to take a look at the ignorant comments of your partner in crime, 2pak.
Distortion and manipulation of facts is never going to prove anything. I still ask you what the group Ashra-e-Mubasharra means to you.

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Reports of Immediate Bay'a from Ali (R) and Sa'd Ibnu Ubada (R)

There are many evidences which show that Ali gave the bay'ah to Abu Bakr immediately. When Abu Bakr got the bay'ah from the people Ali was at his house, he was told that the people are giving the bay'ah to Abu Bakr in the mosque (the second day after the saqifah), upon that Ali left his place without Izar (waist sheet) and Rida' (cloak) in order not to be late in giving the bay'ah. (see al-Bay'ah Fi Al-Fikr Al-Siasi Al-Islami, Mahmoud AL-Khaldi page 58, he cited Al-Kamel Fi Al-Tareekh, Ibnu AL-Atheer, vol. 2, page 325 and 447, and Al-Seerah Al-Halabiah, vol. 2, page 485).
In another incident Ali said that the people after the death of the Prophet choose the best person. When Ali was stabbed the people asked him to appoint a successor he said: The Prophet (pbuh) himself did not appoint a successor so I would not do it. But if Allah wants good for the people he will unite them after me on the best person among them as he did when he united them on the best person after the death of the Prophet (pbuh), (he means Abu Bakr). (see Tareekh Al-Khulafa', Al-Sauti, page 7). 

                    In the battle of Jaml, Ali said: O people, the Prophet (pbuh) did not give us any clue of who should be his

successor as an Amir, and we chose to appoint Abu Bakr.(see Tarikh Al- Islam, Al-Thahabi, vol. 1, page 328, 329 and Majma' Al-Zawa'id, Al-Haithami, vol. 5, page 175).

Al-Bukhari reported on the authority of uhammad bin Al-Hanafiya:
I asked my father ('Ali bin Abi Talib), "Who are the best people after Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "Abu Bakr." I
asked, "Who then?" He said, "Then 'Umar. " I was
afraid he would say "Uthman, so I said, "Then you?" He said, "I am only an ordinary person. 

                    Al-Bukhari reported on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas: 
                    While I was standing amongst the people who were invoking Allah for Umar bin Al-Khattab who was lying (dead)
                    on his bed, a man behind me rested his elbows
                    on my shoulder and said, "(O 'Umar!) May Allah bestow His Mercy on you. I always hoped that Allah will keep you
                    with your two companions, for I often heard
                    Allah's Apostle saying, "I, Abu Bakr and 'Umar were (somewhere). I, Abu Bakr and 'Umar did (something). I, Abu
                    Bakr and 'Umar set out.' So I hoped that Allah
                    will keep you with both of them." I turned back to see that the speaker was Ali bin Abi Talib. 

                    Al-Bukhari reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas: 
                    When (the dead body of) 'Umar was put on his deathbed, the people gathered around him and invoked (Allah)
                    and prayed for him before the body was taken away,
                    and I was amongst them. Suddenly I felt somebody taking hold of my shoulder and found out that he was 'Ali bin
                    Abi Talib. 'Ali invoked Allah's Mercy for 'Umar
                    and said, "O 'Umar! You have not left behind you a person whose deeds I like to imitate and meet Allah with more
                    than I like your deeds. By Allah! I always
                    thought that Allah would keep you with your two companions, for very often I used to hear the Prophet saying,
                    'I, Abu Bakr and 'Umar went (somewhere); I, Abu
                    Bakr and 'Umar entered (somewhere); and I, Abu Bakr and 'Umar went out."' 

                    Another point of importance here, would people like Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman who received many complements
                    from Allah and the Prophet commit such a big
                    sin by disobeying Allah and take the right of Ali which was given to him by Allah. The answer by anyone who
                    takes Quran and Sunnah as the base for his/her
                    thinking is NO. It is very clear that Ali was not appointed by the Prophet as a Khalif otherwise the Sahabah would
                    obey and Ali would not give bay'ah to the Khalifs.
                    He gave the bay'ah to Abu Bakr after six months and he gave the bay'ah to Umar and Uthamn immediately. After
                    the death of Uthman, Ali said to the Muslims try to
                    find someone else as a Khalif, I am better as a minister than an Amir. Would someone believe he was appointed
                    by Allah as a Khalif ask the Muslims to give bay'ah
                    to someone else and disobey Allah?
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bismihi Ta'ala
assalam o alaikum ...

This piece is taken from Khutoot al Areedah, and there is no originality as far as the contribution is concerned.

I have in possession the Mafatih ul Jinan and have not been able to locate the quote. The dua is also to be found in the Tuhfa tul Awam, and there is no reference to Abu Bakr and Umar. Maybe the contributor can post who is the reciter of the dua' and on whose authority it is recited by ?

Will await a response.

regards

abu Kumayl

[quote]
Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
**

The Shi'ites curse Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman (may Allah be

pleased with them), along with all the rulers of the Islamic Nation, with
the exception of 'Ali. They fabricated a lie and attributed it to the Imam
Abul Hasan 'Ali bin Muhammad bin 'Ali bin Moosa, claiming that he
approved of his followers calling Abu Bakr and 'Umar "Al-jibt wat-
Taaghoot". 20 This claim was made in one of their most extensive works
on the science of the ascertation of the veracity and competence of the
narrators of Prophetic Traditions, Tanqeehul-Maqaal fee Ahwaalir-
Rijaal, by a sheikh of the Ja'fari sect Allama Ath-Thani Ayatullah Al-
Mamqaani.' 21 

Al-Mamqaani referred to the scholar Ash-Sheikh Muhammad bin

Idrees Al-Hilli's book As-Saraa'ir, in which Al-Hilli cited the work
Massaa'ilur-aijaal wa Mukaatabaatihim ila Mowlaana Abil-Hasan 'Ali
bin Muhammad bin 'Ali bin Moosa, the subject of which is questions
and letters directed to Abil Hasan 'Ali bin Muhammad. Among them is
a question from Muhammad bin 'Ali, who is quoted as saying: 

   I wrote to him asking about ar-naasib [one who is hostile to

Ahlil-Bait]. I asked him whether I needed proof of his hostility towards
Ahlil-Bait other than his recognition of Al-jibt wat-Taaghoot i.e. Abu
Bakr and 'Umar] as the rightful holders of the office of imam [leader of
the Muslim community]. His reply was that anyone whose condition
was like that just described, was adequately shown to be a naasib. 

Thus, any person would be counted as an enemy of the Prophet's

family merely by his giving precedence of rank to Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq
and 'Umar Al-Farooq, and by his acknowledging their positions as
imams.
The expression "Al-Jibt wat-Taaghoot" is used by the Shi'ites in
the prayer of imprecation which they call "Du'aa Sanamay Quraish"
(imprecation against the two idols of the Quraish). They mean by these
expressions, the two caliphs Abu Bakr and 'Umar (may Allah be pleas-
ed with them). This vicious Shi'ite prayer of imprecation is mentioned
in their book Miftahul-Jinaan; it reads: "O Allah, bestow Your blessings
upon the Holy Prophet Muhammad and upon his family, and curse
the two idols of the Quraish, their Al-Jibt wat-Taaghoot, as well as their
two daughters..." They are referring to the two Mothers of the
Believers, Aa'ishah and Hafsah, the pure and noble wives of the Pro-
phet (may Allah be pleased with them).

**
[/quote]

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iqadeer and all sunni cock suckers,
instead of disscussing it intelligently you went lower than the pariahs of india to childhish insults. You are the proof that sunnis are the most uneducated ppl on this planet who never read their own books because if you did you would be shia by now.

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wowyi,

I didn't start this so I don't have to take responsibilty for what is now coming out.

Aliabbas,

at least you are able to debate in a manner which befits a muslim. I know not all Shias have these slanderous views towards the Companions (RA) as there are more than thirty different sects in Shias. All the references for the quotes have been provided.

As for 2Pak and his fans, there is no friendship with those who call the likes of Abu Bakr such filthy names. They are not muslim and they should be fought alongside the jews and mushriks.

IT IS CLEAR NOW THE THINKING OF SOME OF THESE RADICAL SHIA SECTS THAT THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM. AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT 2PAK'S WORDS TO SEE THAT WHAT I HAVE POSTED IS THE TRUTH.

[This message has been edited by Mr Xtreme (edited January 12, 2000).]

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It's not me it's the hormones ;) Im only 15 and they make me do it.

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Its not him. Its his pompous ass attitude that rides his reason and the hatred he has inherited being a radical shia. He has shown no signs of relenting in case of the righteous caliphs. Age has nothing to do with it. Its the adaab or manners which he severely lacks. For me, I feel no remorse for cursing an avowed enemy of the pious sahaba, especially the the righteous caliphs. He must repent for what he has done, or else there will descend upon him the wrath of Allah Insha-Allah for denigrating the people who were the foremost in sacrificing their lives and property for the sake of Allah.

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH AHAHAHAHAHHA

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Hi Xtreme (and the rest),

I have no idea what exactly you guys are debating cos I can't be bothered to read all that text, but can someone please explain why the topic has been called "an alternative to peshawar nights"?

[This message has been edited by farhana (edited February 28, 2000).]

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Farhana

This was posted in response to a thread called Peshawar Nights which was a critique of Sunni Islam. The link I provided above is a critique of Shia religion.

Why this thread has been revived by Umair316 is a more interesting question.