America mends bridges with the Taliban (suprise suprise)

It was inevtiable. The war in Afghanistan has been draging on for far too long, Mr. Karzai is nothing more than the mayor of Kabul and the US military cannot stop the Taliban regime regrouping and conducting offensive operations.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EI23Ag02.html

**US revives Taliban tryst in Afghanistan **
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Faced with escalating unrest and an increasingly stronger and more organized guerrilla resistance in Afghanistan, the United States has stepped up efforts to address the country’s troubles, including its moves to draw elements of the ousted Taliban back into the political process.

Asia Times Online broke the news on September 12 (Tribes, traditions and two tragedies ) that a new Taliban grouping under the name of Jaishul Muslim had been formed to at least talk to the US about political developments. Apart from Mullah Abdul Razzak, a Pakistani who was a defense minister in the Taliban regime, the group consists of low profile Taliban, and not Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

On September 17, the organization was finally officially launched in the Pakistani border city of Peshawar. Its founder, Akbar Agha, issued a statement that was prominently reported in the Pakistani Urdu daily Nawai Waqat, in which he called for a jihad against the US “invaders” in Afghanistan, but at the same time criticized Mullah Omar’s “self-centered” policies.

In the Afghan capital Kabul, meanwhile, in an address to a council of clerics, interim chairman Hamid Karzai claimed that not all Taliban were involved in war crimes during their rule from 1996 to the end of 2001. Therefore, he argued, those who were not involved in any kind of crime could be considered for inclusion in the government setup.

Ever since abandoning power in the face of the US-led invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban have slowly regrouped, to the point that they now command widespread support in many parts of the country, especially in the south and southeast, and they continue to harass US-led forces as well as the newly-constituted Afghan Army.

US intelligence clearly realized this situation, and since the beginning of the year it has attempted to reach a compromise with the Taliban, on the proviso that they (the US) do not lose face.

Asia Times Online on June 14 reported on the first attempts (US turns to the Taliban) in which a meeting was set up by a jihadi leader with close Taliban, al-Qaeda and Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) links. The meeting took place between representatives of the ISI, the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Taliban leaders at the Pakistan Air Force base of Samungli, near Quetta.

Several demands were dished out to the Taliban, which were set as pre-conditions for the inclusion of the Taliban in the Afghan government:

Mullah Omar must be removed as supreme leader of the Taliban.

All Pakistani, Arab and other foreign fighters currently engaged in operations against international troops in Afghanistan must be thrown out of the country.

Any US or allied soldiers held captive must be released.

Afghans currently living abroad, notably in the United States and England, must be given a part in the government - through being allowed to contest elections - even though many do not even speak their mother tongue, such as Dari or Pashtu.

The talks ended very quickly as the Taliban refused to accept the first condition, on which they made it clear that they could not show any flexibility.

After this failure, both the Pakistan and US intelligence establishments did a lot of groundwork to develop a proxy organization that would help split the Taliban and reduce the intensity of its resistance movement. The Taliban’s second line, third line and even fourth line were given attractive offers, and finally the Jaishul Muslim came into being.

Asia Times Online sources familiar with the negotiations that led to the creation of the Jaishul Muslim say that the plan is for its members to infiltrate camps in Afghanistan where jihadis are trained. Here, and subsequently in the field, they will attempt to sway Taliban commanders with the offer of a place in the government as an inducement. If they are successful, it would obviously be severely damaging to the Taliban’s morale.

However, there are serious doubts that, without Mullah Omar, any movement could really say that it represented the Taliban. At the same time, the organization has been planned and launched in Pakistan, and seemingly it has little, if any, support within Afghanistan itself.

In the initial days when the Taliban retreated from Kabul and Kandahar, a similar group was set up, the Jamiat-i-Khudamul Koran (Organization of the Servants of the Koran). This was in fact the real name of the Taliban movement when it first emerged in the 1980s in Quetta and Peshawar - and also with the help of the ISI.

The Jamiat’s members were mostly former ministers in the Taliban regime critical of Mullah Omar giving shelter to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. They vowed that they would revive the Taliban in its original form.

The group then disappeared from the headlines. However, a few months ago, some intelligence sources said that the organization had again joined hands with the Taliban and was engaged in fighting against the US and its allies, notably in eastern Afghanistan.

Such are the shifting sands of Afghan politics into which the US is now treading ever further and further.

Isn't that a turn up for the books? The United States having failed to control Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban is now promoting the revival of the Taliban, albeit mark 2 to get it out of this quagmire?

Well well well

Does this surprise anybody? The Americans established the Taliban to unify and bring order to Afganistan and then started attacking them for being terrorists and violaters of womens rights. Now they are once again showing that their politics is indeed one of expediency and devoid of fixed principles where as long as there is a benefit they will jump into bed with anyone. Who is to deny that one day Usama will become their ally and friend and be invited for tea at the white house? It makes me angry when i hear from American politicians about the people who died in the WTC and they are invading and fighting terrorism in their name and to prevent a repeat attack. America has no permenent freinds or allies they only have intrests which are many and constantly changing. The Islamic state once it is re-established will treat the enemies like Israel and india as enemies and murderes of muslims and not ally with them, as for america well they are the head of disbelief and the main enemy of the muslim ummah.

I guess burqaa business is a good place to invest in then?

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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
Isn't that a turn up for the books? The United States having failed to control Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban is now promoting the revival of the Taliban, albeit mark 2 to get it out of this quagmire?
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You mean the United Nations failed.

:hehe: As usual you blame the UN for American failures.

America aided the rise of the Taliban to power in order to bring “law and order” to Afghanistan so the pipelines could be built from the CAR’s. Then it was America that ousted this Taliban when it refused to play ball, and it was that America allowed the genocidal Northen Allinace and the warlords into power in their place. Now it is once again America that ***…has attempted to reach a compromise with the Taliban, on the proviso that they (the US) do not lose face. ***

But isn't the United Nations the United States. Different name, same concept and rulers.

The former Taliban foreign minister Wakil Ahmad Mutawakil has been freed by the American military from Bagram, and he has been allowed to go back home to the power base of the Taliban in Kandahar.

It seems the process to restore the Taliban to power in Afghanistan in some shape or form is not far off, aided and encouraged by the United States?

I guess the Americans have finally realized that Karzai has less area under his control than the mayor of Kabul had at one time. I mean, supporting a guy who controls 3 square miles in Kabul is really not that smart an investment. Right now its war lords galore in Afghanistan. Poppy growth is at record levels. The country is already in ruins. If we discount the influence of Al-Kayda, then Taliban were not really the enemies of US.

What Taliban did inside Afghanistan (in terms of domestic policies, policies towards women etc) was not something which troubles US all that much, rather it was blown out of proportion for public consumption and to satisfy a bewildered American people as to why the US is bombing an obscure war-ravaged country instead of fighting the terrorists who destroyed the WTC.

In the last two years, all the high-named high-ranked Al-Kayda operatives are captured in Pakistan, Europe, Thailand, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia... and none whatsoever in the countries bombed by US, i.e. Afghanistan or Iraq. Some where the priorities of US administration got seriously screwed up.

No it’s just by your logic it would have to be the UN failed not the U.S. I personally don’t believe that is the case, (call me optimistic) 2 years out and rebuilding is happening, slowly, but it is happening unlike before.

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I personally don't believe that is the case, (call me optimistic) 2 years out and rebuilding is happening, slowly, but it is happening unlike before.
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Then do tell us why the US of A is talking to the Taliban again? Is it a sign of the success of the American's in Afghanistan? :)

Read the post by Faisal, and you might get an idea of the real situation which you will of course continue to deny.

I agree with malik73 now that the americans have realised that they are losing the war in afganistan they are once again forging alliances with the Taliban, some ethical foreign policy indeed. So will America in Iraq ever form alliances with those nasty Baathists? Depends on if they are losing. Its the American public i pity for electing such corrupt and insincere people as their leaders. In Islam our foreign policies are defined by fixed principles our enemies are those who have declared war upon us like the Israelies, americans, indians and russians.

Americans now delaing with “terrorists”. What a turnaround. Bush is now with the “terrorists”. What next, lunch in white house with Osama, Mullah Omar and Saddam Hussien. Wouldn’t put it past this shameless leader called Bush.

U.S. forces free Taliban foreign minister](http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031008/325/eajfy.html)

SPIN BOLDAK, Afghanistan (Reuters) - The most senior Taliban leader held by U.S.-forces in Afghanistan has been freed after helping to broker talks between U.S. officials and Taliban fighters.

A senior foreign ministry official in southern Afghanistan told Reuters on Wednesday Muttawakil had been freed from the U.S. military headquarters at Bagram after helping to arrange talks between U.S. forces and the Taliban in the southern city of Kandahar.

A close friend of Muttawakil said he had been released four days ago.

“Now he is living with his family in Kandahar,” he said. “I myself have spoken to him by telephone.”

Muttawakil, considered a moderate member of the radical Islamic movement, surrendered to Kandahar authorities in February 2002 and was handed over to U.S. forces.

The foreign ministry official, who did not want to be named, said Muttawakil had played “a very important role” in arranging talks between U.S. forces and the Taliban near the airport in Kandahar a few days ago, but declined to give more details.

U.S. military spokesman Colonel Rodney Davis declined to comment on reports of Muttwakil’s release. He said he had read a report that Federal Bureau of Investigation officers had met “anti-coalition elements”, but could not confirm it.

Taliban intelligence official Mullah Abdul Samad said Muttawakil may have been freed “to sow rifts in Taliban ranks”.

Some Taliban officials told Reuters they had reports that the talks may have involved the Taliban’s former Interior Minister Mullah Abdul Razzak acting without the consent of the organisation’s supreme leader Mullah Mohammad Omar.

The news comes a day after the second anniversary of the start of the U.S. intervention in Afghanistan that overthrew the Taliban in late 2001. It also follows an upsurge of Taliban guerrilla activity in recent weeks, with more than 300 people killed since early August including well over 100 militants.

“LEAVE, CHANGE OR DIE”

Davis told a news briefing there were three options for militants opposed to U.S.-led forces – “leave, change or die”.

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage visited Kandahar on Sunday but an embassy spokesman said he had not met any Taliban officials.

In Kabul, foreign ministry spokesman Omar Samad said he was still checking the report of Muttawakil’s release, but added: “We are pretty sure that that’s the case”.

At the same time, he said there could be no compromise with militant Taliban who continued to carry out “terrorist” attacks.

The difficulty of completely defeating the Taliban militarily has been underlined by a series of hit-and-run attacks in the south and east of the country in recent weeks which have left the region off limits to most aid workers.

Supreme Court Chief Justice Mawlavi Fazi Hadi Shinwari told Reuters it was government policy to leave the door open for Taliban whose hands were “not tainted with the blood of Muslims”.

“We are ready to have negotiations with them and they can come back to the homeland as Afghan citizens,” he said.

He said the government had received a list of 30 Taliban members who wished to talk, but declined to give further details.

However, he said the Taliban’s former deputy justice minister, Mawlavi Jalaluddin Shinwari, had already joined the government after holding talks in Kabul.

Most top Taliban leaders, including Mullah Omar, have evaded capture. But U.S.-led forces arrested several officials in early 2002, including Mullah Mohammad Chamkani, a former adviser to Omar, and former ambassador to Pakistan Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef.

After they have been made powerless...now is the time to make friends with them so the pipe line can be built.

Lets dig up all the natural resource!!!.