America - A Fascist Regime?

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AAG :flower2:

You are correct that the USA are involved with a lot for the better of this world.

I also accept that you have the impression that the USA only wants what is best for all whenever they get involved.

Unfortunately, the USA normally only gets involved when they have something to score or if, by not getting involved, they might lose/forfeit something.

The one thing that a lot of these other countries/people hate about the USA is it’s stance of “I know best for you”. Try this on the people around you and you will be surprised how quickly you run out of friends. Sometimes others want to try and sort out their own problems their own way without outside interference, even if it will cost them more in the longer run.

As for the USA trying to be the worlds policeman? The useless UN can’t do the job, the USA has the ability/means and knows that by doing it, they will further their own interests. Once when there were 2 superpowers, the USA were much less inclined to do what they want.

But, the USA has refused to sign treaties affecting the weather, neuclear/atomic issues, chemical warfare, biologically warfare, landmines, international legal institutions, etc, etc. That’s why the USA sparked in their absence during last years World Summit in South Africa. For the USA, it’s the USA first and formost, the others be damned - and other people are slowly becoming more resentful.

The Romans also had the same attitude when ruling the known civilised world. The British had the same attitude. Funny enough, it reach its peak just when the bubble start to burst. Sound unlikely for the USA? I tell you for starters that the dollar will not again be stronger than the Euro - mark my words.

BTW: My partner is presently in the USA with a green card and I don’t wish him or any well meaning citizen, like yourself, any hardship.

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Old Man?

Tell me? What countries get involved in things that don’t affect them directly unless invited to? What country does that? Utopia maybe?

I thought we were working on a non-proliferation treaty with Russia? I don’t think? the non-signing of treaties is always necessarily our fault. One needs to take into concideration the best interests of its citizens.

Why is your partner in the U.S. with a green card? Does he hate the U.S. and its people? Or does your friend want to become a citizen? Or just take advantage of good education and bring it home? (And thats ok)
World need diplomats.

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Ok NeSCio,

I take it that you think U.S. economy doesn't affect European economy? Or vice versa? Probobly because they were authorizing illegal trading. And they really don't give a ........

Ummm what did the U.S. do to the Euro? Your Laws for farmers hurt our own farmers so we have tried to mediate that to the detrimate of many of our own people. Steal indrustry also. We play as fair as we are able.
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so why not play fair when it comes to oil? why use force then?

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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
Old Man?

Why is your partner in the U.S. with a green card? Does he hate the U.S. and its people? Or does your friend want to become a citizen? Or just take advantage of good education and bring it home? (And thats ok)
World need diplomats.
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He does not hate the USA although his wife battles to find her feet. I aksed her to try and see it through.

So-called "white" South Africans are presently emigrating the world over, trying to escape some of the negative aspects of South Africa: Aids, extremely high crime rate, racist affirmative action preventing them jobs, deteriorating medical facilities, deteriating school standards, etc. Coupled to the fact that South Africans in general are high skilled and hard workers, they can earn much-much more overseas. We have a tremendous brain drain of professionals for the last 10 years. Popular destinations are the USA, Canada, Britain, Europe, Australia, Nieu-Zeeland, Arabic countries.

My partner was sourced by Boeing because of his expertise in military and civilian aircraft design.

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*Originally posted by The Old Man: *

He does not hate the USA although his wife battles to find her feet. I aksed her to try and see it through.

So-called "white" South Africans are presently emigrating the world over, trying to escape some of the negative aspects of South Africa: Aids, extremely high crime rate, racist affirmative action preventing them jobs, deteriorating medical facilities, deteriating school standards, etc. Coupled to the fact that South Africans in general are high skilled and hard workers, they can earn much-much more overseas. We have a tremendous brain drain of professionals for the last 10 years. Popular destinations are the USA, Canada, Britain, Europe, Australia, Nieu-Zeeland, Arabic countries.

My partner was sourced by Boeing because of his expertise in military and civilian aircraft design.
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What are so-called "white South Africans?" Affirmative Action is a big Supreme Court of Justice Ruling in the U.S. right now. To democrats mostly, affirmative action was to help against discrimination.

Maybe affirmitive action has grown past its need. I don't know. I doubt it in some places. Decision comes up in July so the predictions say. Definately it was needed during the 60's and 70's.

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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
What are so-called "white South Africans?" Affirmative Action is a big Supreme Court of Justice Ruling in the U.S. right now. To democrats mostly, affirmative action was to help against discrimination.
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I hate to link people to colour and have never seen a "white" or "black" person in my life. Different shades of brown/pinkish, yes. In South Africa, people was grouped according to colour: black for all negroid people, white for all european and japanese people, brown for all coloured/mixed races.

The implementation of affirmative action is inherently racist. Once implemented, it is usually very difficult to get rid off again as the privileged group would try and protect it's privilege. Right now, "white" children that obtained 10 to 12 distictions in their final school year (six subjects is the standard), get passed over for "non-white" children with 2 to 3 distinctions when they apply for bursaries. We have a quota system in sport that result often in teams being understrength because of the slow rising of "non-white" sportsmen. People with excellent work records battle to get jobs (and some are even retrenced) in order to employ affirmative candidates.

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*Originally posted by The Old Man: *

I hate to link people to colour and have never seen a "white" or "black" person in my life. Different shades of brown/pinkish, yes. In South Africa, people was grouped according to colour: black for all negroid people, white for all european and japanese people, brown for all coloured/mixed races.

The implementation of affirmative action is inherently racist. Once implemented, it is usually very difficult to get rid off again as the privileged group would try and protect it's privilege. Right now, "white" children that obtained 10 to 12 distictions in their final school year (six subjects is the standard), get passed over for "non-white" children with 2 to 3 distinctions when they apply for bursaries. We have a quota system in sport that result often in teams being understrength because of the slow rising of "non-white" sportsmen. People with excellent work records battle to get jobs (and some are even retrenced) in order to employ affirmative candidates.
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In the case of the U.S. I believe affirmative action was made law so that minorities would have equal opportunity. And at the time it was made into law was necessary due to racial discrimination.

And I agree, it has had its faults, as true in U.S. that some majority candidates for jobs have been passed over by minority candidates for jobs due to affirmative-action.

I do think affirmative-action was a necessary remedy to fight job and educational discrimination, though it may have run its course in the U.S. you still find inner-city minorities that aren't getting the same education as weathy suburbs.

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American: We are here to free and liberate you...
Iraqi: I don't want you to liberate me...
American: You have no choice, you WILL be liberated...
Iraqi: How can you liberate me in my country by invading my country?
American: By providing you with food and humanitarian aid...
Iraqi: Where was this humanity during the time 1.7 million Iraqi children died, cancer and other diseases spread due to your Uranium depleted bombing, countless died due to lack of medicine...Why now all of a sudden?
American: We think now Saddam is a threat to us...
Iraqi: Saddam was never a threat when he was strongest, and he is not a threat at his weakest...
American: Ah, the food shipments have arrived...
Iraqi: I don't want your food...
American: You better take it...We don't wanna look bad in front of the world now, do we...
Iraqi: But I don't want you food...
American: The heck with you...You are going to take this food even if I have to stuff this MRE down your throat...Now eat and welcome us like liberators...
Iraqi: I will never...
American: No? (BANG!)...Next!

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Can the US gain any benefit from the experience of people who've served in a communist regime??

Apparently Mr. John "cover-that-bust" Ashcroft thinks so which is why he hired ex-KGB Gen Primakov as a consultant for the DHS.

Welcome to the USS of A.

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
Can the US gain any benefit from the experience of people who've served in a communist regime??

Apparently Mr. John "cover-that-bust" Ashcroft thinks so which is why he hired ex-KGB Gen Primakov as a consultant for the DHS.

Welcome to the USS of A.
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Well I think I know what you meant sarcastically with those words.

But know I never meant anything sarcastic towards Muslims or Iraq.

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*Originally posted by sholay: *
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The fact of the matter is that America operates nothing but a Fascist regime with the ideaology believing in 'survival of the strongest'.

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Fortunately, America will be it's own downfall!

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Ladies and gentleman... we have a new Nostradamus in our midsts.

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