I don’t believe this has been thought through by GHQ Pakistan. Looks like the commando in Musharaff wins out. Demonstrates a severe lack of strategic thinking as laid bare by the Afghanistan policy and the Kargil fiasco. May Allha protect Pakistan!
**General Musharraf declares himself President and Army Chief for the next five years and there is nothing that you and I can do about it. We can shout and scream, because like an indulgent parent he has allowed us to do this, but it will change nothing. He has made up his mind and that is it. He is the omnipresent and the omniscient and all other ‘Omni’ put together. You and I just do not figure in this equation. Someone remarked at a wedding last night that we should be grateful it is only for five years. If he had said fifty, we still would have had to lump it.
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We are going backwards rather than forward. The principle of government by the consent of the governed is so universally accepted that it seems stupid to repeat it again and again. Yes, our democracy was flawed but so are other democracies. Yes, our politicians need to exhibit more responsibility but this can only happen over time. If we keep interrupting the democratic process, keep making ridiculous changes in the constitution, keep harassing and abusing those who choose to participate in the political process, we will never go forward.
These constitutional amendments are bad because they retard our political growth. They are bad because they exclude the people, damage the concept of parliamentary supremacy, and give a role to uniformed services for which they are not prepared. They are bad because they validate and enforce a permanent dictatorship. This is a black day for the country.**
Another bad turn by an otherwise well intentioned guy. IMF says the economic prospects are good, though. The "western" governments should keep up the rhetoric and pressure for democracy.
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*Originally posted by Maula Baksh: *
Where community do you think Mush is from? And I have a feeling both you two are one and the same.
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only indian muslims have administartive and national building skills
that pakistan needs. most of the intellectual and educated and even your nuke sceintist are mujahirs. even in india abdul kalam indian muslim made india proud. there is something in indian muslims
deep survival skills to keep their identity make them suceed.
Yes NS was dictator **elected by the people of Pakistan. Mush is dictator who came to power by the gun not vote. See the diff.?**
Have you seen the Economy difference b/w Mush and NS
As for as NSC is concerned, this will neve work with system of govt. we have. I can't picture NS, BB and Mush sitting around the talbe talking about Kargil conflict with India in 1999.
Take NS, BB garbage out of this!
*Anway, Mushrraf is destroying a sacred piece of document, the constitituion, that's keeping Pakistan united. Likes of Mushrraf have broken up country once, and they are in process of doing it again. Mushrraf the dictator must go for sake of unity of Pakistan!!! *
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Chanda, May I ask how many times over elected leaders sat down and talked about country's position? NEVER.
Everytime , it just seems everybody wants to discuss constitution. Why not paying attention to the circumstances? ;)
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I don't believe this has been thought through by GHQ Pakistan. Looks like the commando in Musharaff wins out. Demonstrates a severe lack of strategic thinking as laid bare by the Afghanistan policy and the Kargil fiasco. May Allha protect Pakistan!*
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Yes NS was dictator elected by the people of Pakistan. Mush is dictator who came to power by the gun not vote. See the diff.?
As for as NSC is concerned, this will neve work with system of govt. we have. I can't picture NS, BB and Mush sitting around the talbe talking about Kargil conflict with India in 1999.
Anway, Mushrraf is destroying a sacred piece of document, the constitituion, that's keeping Pakistan united. Likes of Mushrraf have broken up country once, and they are in process of doing it again. Mushrraf the dictator must go for sake of unity of Pakistan!!!**
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Who's saying Musho is not a dictator. Whatever he's doing I know is against the Constitution. But he doesn't want or perhaps most of the Pakistanis don't want, is the same politicians come back and loot the country. Musharraf and Military may not be good for Pakistan but that's the only Choice left.
Who's saying Musho is not a dictator. Whatever he's doing I know is against the Constitution. But he doesn't want or perhaps most of the Pakistanis don't want, is the same politicians come back and loot the country. Musharraf and Military may not be good for Pakistan but that's the only **Choice left. **
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Only if Musharraf uses his power WRONG. His fate will, no doubt, be like the fates of our former leaders.
Simple question: If not Musharraf then WHO?
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PT: I am not against Musharraf. Yes there is no alternative right now. The thing you want to think is whether this is the way he should excersise his power. I think there were better methods. I think he could have utilised this time to build institutions and parties in Pakistan, instead I believe by this very forceful direct method he is destroying any chance of building political ethos in Pakistan. He is institutionalising army rule and hence army corruption which means that in the long haul the respect for army will completely disappear. Read Shafqat's article that I posted above. He is right: Pakistanis don't have a choice, but it would have been nice if atleast they had been asked. This will cause weakening of the bonds between the provinces, and will cause long term problems (long term here is within 5 to 10 years). My personal guess is that he has now set himself up such that the only way he will relenquish power is the way Zia did.
If your personal guess becomes right in the future, then Musharraf’s fate will be like Zia and other political leaders of Pakistan only if he uses power in a wrong way
I believe those responsible for these illegal changes in the constitution should be charge with treason, including Mushrraf. It not the job of armed forces of the nation to make these changes, this should be left of eleted parliament.
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(1) Any person who abrogates or attempts or conspires to abrogate, subverts or attempts or conspires to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.
(2) Any person aiding or abetting the acts mentioned in clause (1) shall likewise be guilty of high treason. “
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*Originally posted by Shamraz Khan: *
I believe those responsible for these illegal changes in the constitution should be charge with treason, including Mushrraf. It not the job of armed forces of the nation to make these changes, this should be left of eleted parliament.