Re: Altaf Hussain calls for ‘military takeover’
Well this statement proves why his "We love Pakistan Army" rally meant absolutely nothing. It was pure drama & so is this statement, you simply cannot take this person seriously.
Now wait for same "Ghisi piti" explanation from likes of Farooq Sattar "Ya tou aap ILTAF bhai ki baat ko samjhay nahi ya woh samjha nahi paaye"
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You wanted to see a Britisher in our parliament .
So do you. Bilawal is not Pakistani. He is a Gora.
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You hate him to your bones or his bones, but the fact of the matter is that he is the only politician in the country who can get away with a statement like this. All the larger-than-life deities of the media would earnestly line up to give the media machine of the MQM to sugar the pill sent from London and assure the nation that this is the cure-all solution the country needs.
On the other side, the champions of democracy at the 10 Downing Street must be taking pride in housing a statesman who is inviting the army to take over the country and overthrow a democratically-elected government.
Lastly, let us curse Imran Khan to satisfy our jaundiced mentality even in this case.
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You are talking about his guy?
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^^^
Yes, I am talking about same person. What is true is true, and my comments are on what he said in speech that is topic of this thread and not any other speech.
Anyhow, since you want to drag everything irrelevant to the topic, let me clear the truth in the speech you posted (obviously, if you could see things without glasses of bias and with same perspective as I and many in Karachi would like to see).
If one looks at things in black and white, full of tasub and without thinking, what Altaf said on that video is same what Nawaz Shareef, 3 times Pakistani Prime Minister, and the politician who gets most votes in Pakistan, says very politely in video below (watch the video and speech of Nawaz Shareef).
Difference is that, Altaf words are words of protest … that can be seen from words he used (if one have ability to think) … and even though speech was in front of Indian audience, protest in speech was obviously directed to those in Pakistan who are full of Tasub … and show their Tasub openly on forums, speeches, attitudes, treatments, and writings (think of the words and tone used in speech: … Agar koyie yea tana hijrat karnay walon ko day tou … and so on …).
But Nawaz words are his inner voice (or probably diplomatic gesture), that one can see from his tone and words. Nawaz Shareef words probably represent voice of most who give votes to Nawaz today and consider themselves most loyal to Pakistan (given that certificate to themselves), as they showed their inner feelings with their votes in pre-1947 elections too … that is, they (Punjab) voted for anti-Pakistan (Unionist and Congress) parties … even though Pakistan still came into existence due to those Muslim voters of that time who are now considered traitors (Muhajirs, Bengalis, Sindhis) and get discriminated because of that perception, by mostly people of Punjab in establishment.
Note: In 1937 election, that showed Muslim League strength all over India amongst Muslims … Punjab (even Muslim voters of Punjab) voted overwhelmingly for Unionist party (that was anti-partition of India), followed by Congress. Though when it became clear by early/mid 1940s that India could get divided (due to Muslim league overall popularity amongst Muslims throughout India outside Punjab), Politicians of Punjab left Unionist party and joined Muslim league in droves (so that they can loot and plunder Pakistan).
1937 election result in Punjab:
[TABLE]
Parties position in
1937 Punjab election
Number of seats
Unionist Party
98
Congress
18
Khalsa National Party
13
Hindu Mahasabha
12
Akalis
11
Ahrar
02
Muslim League
02
Ittihad-e-Millat
02
Congress National party
01
Independent
16
Total
175
1946 election result in Punjab … Muslim league became strong, still was in minority:
[TABLE]
Parties position in
1946 Punjab election
Number of seats
Muslim League
73
Congress
51
Unionist Party
19
Akalis
21
Independent
11
Total
175
Anti-Pakistan parties … Congress, Unionist Party and Akalis together had 91 seats … even though Muslims were Majority in Punjab. If creation of Pakistan was dependent on votes from Punjab, then there would have been no Pakistan.
As for NWFP, situation was worse. Pro-congress party Khudai Khidmatgar (Abdul Ghaffar Khan party) was ruling NWFP and if congress wanted than NWFP would not have been part of Pakistan. Dubious referendum was announced, obviously with the consent of congress, and then khudai khidmatgar (and congress) boycotted the referendum clearing way for NWFP to join Pakistan.
Funny result of NWFP Referendum:
Total population of NWFP at the time ~ 3.5 million.
Total voters in list: 572,799
(Most voters were barred to vote)
Polled votes (51% of total votes): 292,118
For Pakistan (50.5% of total votes): 289,244
For India: 2,874
[Note: In sham referendum that was highly selective, where most NWFP was not allowed to vote (~ 0.6 million voters out of ~ 3.5 million population were allowed to vote), parties ‘for India’ boycotted the referendum, so result was obvious. With consent of British rulers and Congress (both agreed with ML for partition on basis that Muslim majority area directly under British rule would be part of Pakistan), less then 300,000 voters handed over NWFP to Pakistan :)]
Same is true of Baluchistan. Baluchistan was not directly under British rule, and had Princely state status. It mean British could not have made Baluchistan to join Pakistan, so it was forced to join Pakistan and even today many in Baluchistan are anti-Pakistan.
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The Punjab after Maharaja of Lahore Ranjeet Singh went totally into British influence , They proted fudels to keep control .
the result you are quoting is of United Punjab with big Hindu and Sikh Population and result was much better .
1946 election result in Punjab ... Muslim league became strong, still was in minority:
[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
Parties position in
1946 Punjab election
Number of seats
Muslim League
73
Congress
51
Unionist Party
19
Akalis
21
Independent
11
Total
175
[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
Issue of Altaf is quite different , He is a serioul killer and mostly killed by his men were Urdu speaking
Pakistanis .
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for ‘military takeover’
seems like a cross between cereal and serious 
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and he has been asking for it from last 3/4 years now but the moment he'll get his HADI, he'll go back to his little D house and enjoy...
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......Because Bhutto was fruit of military dictatorship, born under dictatorship, grew under dictatorship and was happy with dictatorship ... was so much in love with dictatorship that Bhutto became Pakistan only civil dictator ... and obviously army was happy with Bhutto too, as whatever Bhutto was, army knew that Bhutto was army's SOB.
And so is NS and so is Altaf and so is IK and so are chaudhry bradaraan.... and you want another dictator to give birth to even more SOBs? These angels in uniforms have spawned more corrupt politicians than anything else in the country.
I would really like to know your views about Ayub Khan though.
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While I agree that if we have to pick between Pakistan and democracy, we should pick Pakistan - but thinking that every solution is in military take over is stupidity. We have the biggest example in our neighboring county India, who fought the insurgency and terrorism for many many years; against Khalistan movement, Tamil tigers and Kashmir freedom fighters, but did it hundered percent under civilian govt. Maybe we can learn a thing or two from them.
The difference is our democratically elected representatives are inherently weak and are subservient to the military.
In India, the democratically elected leaders are the ones who give the military their orders and they obey.
Pakistan has no technocrats who have become leaders of Pakistan. Its mostly these uneducated feudal lords. We need doctors, lawyers, economists, professors, to become leaders of this country not these farmers.
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But if the military keeps coming in, neither do the politicians learn nor do the awaam learn about the role of accountability vs. their votes. It is not if the military is able to fix everything in the first place like it happened in taiwan, south korea, singapore though they were more dictatorships than military dictatorships.
I think that Pakistanis need to suffer before they start ijtehad within their heads and become better Pakistanis and hence, elect better pakistanis to the assemblies.
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You hate him to your bones or his bones, but the fact of the matter is that he is the only politician in the country who can get away with a statement like this. All the larger-than-life deities of the media would earnestly line up to give the media machine of the MQM to sugar the pill sent from London and assure the nation that this is the cure-all solution the country needs.
On the other side, the champions of democracy at the 10 Downing Street must be taking pride in housing a statesman who is inviting the army to take over the country and overthrow a democratically-elected government.
Lastly, let us curse Imran Khan to satisfy our jaundiced mentality even in this case.
Read a tweet from Wajahat S Khan (Ikhtilaaf on Aaj tc) to Wasay Jalil.
First he praised MQM leaders and then politely asked Wasay Jalil of MQM "Isn't Altaf bhai's statement over the top" and his response was "Listen to my explanation first" and Wajahat said "Ok bhai".
If Imran had made such statement, he would've been called all sort of names, would have been called immature, politically naive etc etc etc. Confirms once again that only one rule gets implemented in Pakistan better than others "Jis ki lathi uski bhains"
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Keya hua= Dhandli hui
Keya hoga = Dharna hoga
Keya Karen = mil ke roen
Nirlon ke teen hi kam
Re: Altaf Hussain calls for ‘military takeover’
Keya hua= Dhandli hui Keya hoga = Dharna hoga Keya Karen = mil ke roen
Sorry I think your confusing Niralas with MQM Marasis.
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In regards to this toad's latest shriek, first thing first, I must confess that I fully agree with Billy B's latest tweet that 'Uncle jee, Pakistani military do not control London Met Police' so you can stop living in fools paradise that a dictator will somehow manage to rescue your drowning ass. Whenever the process is complete, I'm sure they'll say good riddance and won't spare a second thinking about it.
Secondly anyone who said his latest traitorous anti democracy drunkard rant will earn some brownie points with media is totally wrong. The media wants to have army's attention in finishing off the Taliban not to bulldoze a parliament that just made history with passing first ever counter terrorism policy. This is the same media that single handedly made Musharraf's fall relatively a speedy and bloodless affair (something Middle East has no luck with so far) and it's the same media that hasn't given a Musharraf a single chance to redeem himself in last 5-6 years, despite going through one of the worse democratic governments of all time.
Pakistani media, awaam, civil society and military has finally made peace with democracy. It is democracy that'll ensure we do not en up in the same grave as Middle Eastern countries.
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Wasn't marasi a good term (saw an article in dawn about it) just like ***** rona?
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Mein sab Kuch Utar doonga from pagdi to lungdi.
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So be care full^ - ^
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Unrelenting assertions of media freedom and professional integrity come to die a stray dog's death when it comes to MQM. Altaf Hussain has all of them dancing to his tunes the way he wants.
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Had it come from Imran, he would be hanged by a lamppost before dawn.
Imran is free to do whatever he wants to do....and that is the right way in any democracy
no one has hanged imran khan for calling bait ullah mahsood "hamaray apnay"... yes he did say that and i heard it myself on tv when mahsood was killed
no one has hanged imran khan for continuously supporting taliban for 7 years who have killed over 50,000 Pakistanis and thousands of our soldiers
and no one has certainly hanged imran khan for standing shoulder to shoulder with Munawwar hassan of jamat islami on Taliban issue...
that munawar who says osama and mahsood are shaheed but our amry jawans are not shaeed...
that munawar who says that pakistani soliders are bound to be killsed because they are on sheetan's side...
and our great IK took his side proudly...stood with him on front of the stage
what will be the feelings of moms of those jawans who were slaughtered by Taliban in last 7 years?