Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
Let me say something as member of his family. He was not Qadeyani nor Shia neither of any other sect. As making or adopting a sect in Islam is prohibited.
1.In Surah AL-ANAAM chapter number 6 verse number 159
"As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. "
Second, about marring moe than one wife. It is not prohibited in Islam. My Nana did the same and my Mother is from second wife. My Nani is cousin of Allama Iqbal. He married for the sake of son as his other wives didnot have a male baby. So, from his 4rth wife, his son was born known as Dr. Javed Iqbal. His only son, not any son I am aware of.
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
This is not correct. He had a son, Aftab Ahmad, from his first wife. About this Aftab Ahmad, Justice Retd Javed Iqbal writes in his autobiography “Apna Garaiban Chak” that he, along with his mother, had come to attend Allama Iqbal funeral. He writes:
“Wald ki wafat ki khabar Lahore main aag ki tarah pail gayi. Subuh sai log joq dar joq deedar kai khatir Javed Manzal main jama hunai lagai. Walid kai khanadan awar shihar kai deegar khawateen bi aati chali gayain…Walida Aftab bi un main mawjod thain…istarah Bhayi Aftab sara din apnai bap kai paintee kai taraf farash par baitai kabi un kai pawon ko chomtai awar kabi apnai ankun sai lagatai” (page 41)
You should also refer to page 12 of the book mentioned where Justice Javed Iqbal explicitly mentions Aftab Ahmad and the reasons for Allama Iqbal’s poor relations with his elder son. Aftab Ahmad. He says:
“…doosri waja shaid yai ho, kai **apnai barai baitai awar mairai sawtailai bhayi Aftab **sai un kaitaluqat achai na thai…”
Probably, you are a distant relative of Allama Iqbal and don’t know much about the family.
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
"Wald ki wafat ki khabar Lahore main aag ki tarah pail gayi. Subuh sai log joq dar joq deedar kai khatir Javed Manzal main jama hunai lagai. Walid kai khanadan awar shihar kai deegar khawateen bi aati chali gayain...Walida Aftab bi un main mawjod thain...istarah Bhayi Aftab sara din apnai bap kai paintee kai taraf farash par baitai kabi un kai pawon ko chomtai awar kabi apnai ankun sai lagatai" (page 41)
You should also refer to page 12 of the book mentioned where Justice Javed Iqbal explicitly mentions Aftab Ahmad and the reasons for Allama Iqbal's poor relations with his elder son. Aftab Ahmad. He says:
"...doosri waja shaid yai ho, kai **apnai barai baitai awar mairai sawtailai bhayi Aftab **sai un kaitaluqat achai na thai..."
Probably, you are a distant relative of Allama Iqbal and don't know much about the family.
So, if you are not a member of his family and you know him better than me? Why he had poor relations with his son? May be he could be son of ex-husband of his wife as it is also common in our family to marry widows with their children. And it is not prohibited in Islam but much appreciated.
So, he couldnot be counted as his son at all. Yes, he could be counted as step-brother of Uncle Javed Iqbal.
And Allah has mentioned in Holy Quran:
1.In Surah AN-NISA chapter number 4 verse number 23
"Forbidden to you are your mothers and your daughters and your sisters and your paternal aunts and your maternal aunts and brothers' daughters and sisters' daughters and your mothers that have suckled you and your foster-sisters and mothers of your wives and your step-daughters who are in your guardianship, (born) of your wives to whom you have gone in, but if you have not gone in to them, there is no blame on you (in marrying them), and the wives of your sons who are of your own loins and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already passed; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. "
2.In Surah AL-AHZAB chapter number 33 verse number 4
"Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has **He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. **But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. "
** 3.In Surah AL-AHZAB chapter number 33 verse number 37**
"Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled. "
See, when Allah has made a difference, how you could cease this?
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
Just want to share an ayah.
1.In Surah AL-HUJRAAT chapter number 49 verse number 12
"O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it…But fear Allah: For Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. "
So dont say what you dont know.
His poetry was reflection and true translation of Holy Quran. Because when he started to read Holy Quran, his father asked him,“What are you doing.” He replied with due respect,“I am reading Holy Quran.” His father asked once again," What are you reading?" He said with due respect once again," I am reading Holy Quran." His father said," I can see what are you doing. But you are not reading it with due worth." He asked,“How I can fulfil the due worth?” His father said,“Read it as it is revealing on you.” After this, his whole poetry changed into translation of Holy Quran. And who reads Holy Quran like him, well knows that Sayyedna Mohammad :saw: was the last prophet and no anyother porphet will be born after him.
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
No, your information is not correct.
According to Justice Javed Iqbal, he was the real son of Allama Iqbal and had been born in 1898. He writes that he became a barrister and later settled in Karachi and that after the death of Allama Iqbal amicable relations developed between him and his sister Muneera Iqbal and his step-brother, Aftab Ahamd.
Also, according to written sources, Allama Iqbal had two wives but you say he had 4 wives.
Further, Justice Javed Iqbal says he couldn't find the reasons why his father divorced his first wife.
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
I dont think so,you seem to be influenced by Iqbal,s poetry Thats good. In literature and politics and general outlook every one has a right to think and cling to any creed or orientation.
But great literature is that which stands the test of time.Ghalib and mir taqi mir have,but am afraid Allama sounds too parochial a poet,but its ok if you like him you have a right.
I like Ghalib and I have a right to like him, no bitter feelings.The important debate should be'Art for the sake of Art'or Art for the sake of life.
Fun braiey zindagi ya fun braiey fun, ya adab braiye zindagi waghaira.
Listen to ghalib:
Hum muahid hein,humara kaish hay tark e rasoom
Millatein jab mit gaien ajzay e eimaan hogaein'
..........
A lighter one:
Yeh masail e tasawaf,yeh tera bian Ghalib
Tujhay hum wali samjhtay jo na bada khar hota.
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
Information… Not info but family matters… Look who is talking… If I say such stupid things to your family and then say, you are wrong, I know more than you…omg…
Yes, he had four wives. But he didnot divorce any of them.
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
And please, don't bring in religion and quote ayas. This is not a religious issue.
Both words have same meanings. Dont try to change the ayah according to your will.
Islam is not a religion of prayers. It has ayahs for daily life routine too. If you dont read Holy Quran regularly and with translation and understanding, what can I do?
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
I have quoted what his son Justice Retired Javed Iqbal wrote in his book "Apna Garaiban Chak". Apart from this, you can also consult another book "Zinda Rud" by Justice Javed Iqbal in order to affirm what I've quoted.
And as Justice Javed Iqbal is a direct descendent of Iqbal and not a distant relative, naturally I should have more reliance in what he has said. It is another matter that he hasn't divulged full information about his family.
He writes:
"At this time there is no elder alive in the family to explain why did Allama Iqbal divorce his first wife. And whatever has been said about this matter are just speculations. From this wife, Iqbal had two children; Meraj Baigam and brother Aftab. Meraj Begam died while young and was buried beside the graves of my grandfather and grandmother. Brother Aftab was born in 1898 and was 26 years elder to me..." (Apna Gariban Chak, page 12)
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
Do you know that Justice Javed Iqbal has some different views about soul rather than Islamic view. Just same as Awagon, like Hindus. Actually, not of any member of our family turned into Qadeyani but Justice Javed Iqbal himself. Got it?
Re: Allama Family and its Associations with Qadianis
Do you deny that Allama Iqbal had 2 instead of 4 wives, that he divorced his first wife, and that Aftab Ahmad was his real son? Justice Javed Iqbal doesn't say Allama Iqbal had Qadiabi aqeeda. The only thing he mentions is, his cousin and gaurdian, Shiekh Ijaz Ahmad, son of Shiekh Atta Mohammad, had Ahmadi faith.
Not info but family matters…
Look who is talking…
If I say such stupid things to your family and then say, you are wrong, I know more than you…omg…