All pakistan gathering at minaret Pakistan

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^ they did provide him with security, but are now under atress...as even TUQ talked about the Muq Muqa of PPP and PMLN.

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@ali: is this the video everyone was waiting for? : D

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Who is "Ameerul Momineen"?

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hayn??? you don't know Ameerul Momineen Hazrat Nawaz Sharif??

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Qadri uncle jao canada wapis jao yeh march apke bas ka rog nahi

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Qadri uncle jao canada wapis jao yeh march apke bas ka rog nahi
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Because i have a french nationality, i cannot organise or take part to any march in pakistan ?

brillant common sense :)

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Watch this video and you will know what common sense is

‫طاہر القادری رنگے ہاتھوں پکڑا گیا ۔ !! ضرور دیکھیں | Facebook‬](http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=206480202816098)

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I found a second interview where a journalist asked question to Dr Qadri about this clip

i have watched your clip, NOW YOU watch mine

  1. Dr Tahir ul Qadri on Blasphemy Law : Danish TV2 NEWS Live Interview - YouTube
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^ so which one of these two qadris is lying? both cannot be true at the same time

by the way, are you part of tahir-ul-qadri's media team? just as he suddenly poped up from nowhere, wokeup one morning and decided to come all the way from canada to lahore, likewise you suddenly realized that you are pakistani no matter what and you gotta save country by joining GS?

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so one thing is established.

He does not believe that cartoon makers need to be punished at all.

Second, he never answers whether he supports the death penalty...he is just spindoctoring ...

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so which one of these two qadris is lying? both cannot be true at the same time

by the way, are you part of tahir-ul-qadri's media team? just as he suddenly poped up from nowhere, wokeup one morning and decided to come all the way from canada to lahore, likewise you suddenly realized that you are pakistani no matter what and you gotta save country by joining GS?
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oky first,

i am not among his media team, i am moved from to france to UK, to work and studies which is still the case (Islamic, marketing, and managerial studies), yes i support Dr Qadri for different but objective reasons, and i appreciate to have dialogue with those who disagree with him if it is in respectful atmosphere otherwise, they can insult i don t care, i will not answer.

And I love Pakistan, so I will do what I can do for the country, and I will not let some jealous people who have been stuck in Pakistan their whole life to stop me because I am french…

Let me remind you that the mezar of our Beloved Prophet saw is in Madina and not in Makkah (despite the fact he was born and grew up in Makkah)… why ?

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so one thing is established.

He does not believe that cartoon makers need to be punished at all.

Second, he never answers whether he supports the death penalty...he is just spindoctoring ...
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Regarding the blasphemous law:

The Dialogue is especially needed when it s about complex and technical topic such as politic or laws.
Second, if you did not understand those both clip, I will try to explain as clear and short as possible (May Allah protect me from any drop of arrogance).

In the interview Dr Qadri said very clearly "There s no contradiction between both clip",
so he did not lie in any of them.

In the clip in English, he is talking about the procedural blasphemous law and the speech in Urdu he is talking about the Substantial islamic law.

But we don't know that, because the both speeches are not full, but ONLY FEW minutes of them have been cut and mix together, so we cannot know in which context of the law he was talking.

For example: the Quran it said "pray the salat" you agree? This a law for every Muslim! BUT:
How pray the salat ? in which direction ? what are the condition to pray the salat ? Is there something which reject the salat ? pregnant woman can pray the salat ? etc etc etc etc etc etc

All those questions's answers are not in the Quran, we find their answer in the" fiqh" and then we enter in the "procedural" law !

Now take the example of France; This country is currently following by what we called "the civil code" which born in the 18th century,
"civil code" is a book of law and a part of the French constitution:
the French constitution never changed, but the civil code is adapted according to the century
and only high level of Jurist people can adapt it….

Now, we Muslim have the Quran which is our constitution and we have our "Fiqh":
The Quran never changed, but the "Figh" is adapted according to the time by high level of Mufti and the higher among them: "the Mujjadid"

(Seyedena Pir Tahir Allaudin Al Gilani Al Baghdadi Al Hassani Al Husseini; Al-Azhar institution, Islamic university of malaysia and the International Islamic Forum have designated Dr Tahir-Ul-Qadri as the mujaddid of the 21st century)

So for the Blasphemous Law:

Anyone who insult any religion or any religious personality is punished according to the bible and Quran; this is What Dr Qadri said
BUT, the punishment can vary according to the context.

According to Islamic Law, we are not allow to impose our Islamic law inside any country which is secular, multicultural or which has not based its constitution on any religious book,
so according to islam, we are not allow to impose the death punishement for the cartoon maker in Denmark, he must be punished according to the Danish law, it means many years of prison.

And Dr Qadri explained also in details in which context, the person is condemned and which context the person is release,
and to know where he said that, you need to watch the Full Speech
(70 mn for the speech in English which took place in Denmark, and I was there,
and also more than 1 hour for the course in Urdu)

To conclude,

don't create an opinion about any Islamic Law by watching a YouTube clip which mix few minutes of different speeches, but watch the speeches about Islamic law FULLY.

If you want, I can send you the links for the videos and books regarding the concept of Islamic laws

There are Many courses very long, and very technical, but at the end inchallah you will understand
I hope I have been able to answer you

Assalam o Aleikum

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@hasnain12: i've very simple question, from the two videos posted in this this thread, which dr tahir is lying? its not insulting or anything, ok lets put it the other way, which dr tahir is saying the truth?

and thanks for trying to make me understand islamic law, m not asking you about blasphemy law or anything, for your information i know what the punishment of blasphemy is, and why so? thats not topic of this thread. i'm not making any "opinion" about islamic law by watching these video, however making an opinion about the speaker for sure...

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my head is spinning

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No worries brother, I appreciate your respectful behaviour sincerely…

so for the first question,
I will be very clear:
He is Not lying in Any of them:

  1. In the first clip (in english) he was talking about the “Procedural” aspects, so in which context a Muslim jurist is not allow this law. But if you watch full conference he mentioned very clearly “capital punishment is proclaimed by all religious person” and he also quoted the references. But all those things, have been cut, and the youtube video is only showing when Dr Qadri speak about “in which context the blasphemous law is not permissible” (and very precise minutes have chosen)

  2. In the clip in Urdu, he is speaking about the “Substential” aspect, it means only “weather someone must be punished or not”. But few minutes later in the same course in urdu he explained the procedural aspect, so in which context the law is not practicable, but again it has been cut.
    The “substential” and “procedural” aspect are the Pillar of laws.

And Dr Qadri’s full concept of Blasphemous law, is also explained In the link I sent you at the end.

Once you watch or read, the conferences, courses and book about the concept of Islamic law,
I believe this youtube video has as Only purpose to reduce and Dr Qadri’s credibilty, so I understand your doubt

so here is the link for all the clarifications
there are many references so here few of them:
Jurisprudence > The Dictates of the Islamic Law - Islamic Library
English Books > Islamic Concept of Law - Islamic Library
Fiqah Ijtihaad aur Taqleed Sitting 02 | Islamtune
AL HIDAYA 2009 Sitting 02 : An Introduction to Islamic Legal Theory | Islamtune

and also this book: Science of Beliefs (Bases and Branches) > The Medials of Law - Islamic Library

I hope it could help you
salam

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^ wa-alekum-assalam wa-rehmatullah

I'm out of this now, we are derailing the thread.

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Yes, you MUST not organize any political rally if you are dual citizen.

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yes, it my mistake,
i am not allow to organize official march (except if i have double nationality) but i can take part

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You can expect many movies, until hazrat Pervaiz Rasheed is around. :)

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You cannot 'demand' a system to be imposed or changed in Pakistan when you are not a subject of that system. It is easy to leech off the social benefits in another country while saying, "I would only return to Pakistan if this, this, this and this are corrected. I shall only serve the people of Pakistan when they demonstrate that they deserve me!"

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TQ, IK + MQM = formidable alliance against PMLN, PPP.

Lets hope for the best.

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No , It is only an effort to block PML N , US and its permanent puppets don't want NS as PM .