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Brave? Posing as a Holy Man, hiding in a cave, while sending uneducated and brainwashed youngsters out to murder and maim innocent civilians? The cultural gap in the definition of 'brave' is evidently very wide.
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fecking uneducated. and i dont even blame you. its an example set by your president and his ally when you invade a completely different Muslim country simply because its residents shared Osama's faith (beyond that, i just cannot seem to find a link between the two). You, with your classification of distinct cultural superiority are the ones who lay the foundation for devaluation of human life ("i cant see them being so careful if they were killing us"). 'them' do not necessarily support Osama, though you do a hell of a job fostering and promoting bigotry. i belong to the same culture as bao, and do not agree with him. would you see me as a justifiable death, just as these people see the innocents in 911 as regrettable "thems"?
*Seminole, I have a problem with the highlighted statement. The declarations of one person are supposed to represent how an entire culture defines bravery? You can clearly see that there are other people disagreeing with Bao Bihari on whether Osama is brave or not and still you choose to make an implicit generalization. *
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mufakkar, I have a problem with the highlighted paragraph. What culture are you accusing me of sterotyping? I have no idea what culture bao bihari represents. There is without doubt a culture that finds OBL brave, that is why he has a following and is able to recruit others to kill for him. The generalization I make is for any subsets that make up the culture that finds OBL worthy of praise or 'brave'.
For me, those in my own community who exclude others because they aren't 'Christian' come from a different culture than me. Pat Robertson and his ilk come represent a culture as different from my own as Mars. So when we talk about a 'culture' that supporsts a man (any man, of any religion) who recruits uneducated fanatical youths to murder innocent civilians in the name of God it represents a cultural gap so wide I can't see across.
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mufakkar, I have a problem with the highlighted paragraph. What culture are you accusing me of sterotyping? **I have no idea what culture bao bihari represents*. There is without doubt a culture that finds OBL brave, that is why he has a following and is able to recruit others to kill for him. The generalization I make is for any subsets that make up the culture that finds OBL worthy of praise or 'brave'.
For me, those in my own community who exclude others because they aren't 'Christian' come from a different culture than me. Pat Robertson and his ilk come represent a culture as different from my own as Mars. So when we talk about a 'culture' that supporsts a man (any man, of any religion) who recruits uneducated fanatical youths to murder innocent civilians in the name of God it represents a cultural gap so wide I can't see across.
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perhaps you should be more careful with what you say then. as far as the rest of the world is concerned, unless you specify otherwise, the meaning of what you say is what mufakkar and i saw it was. more often than not, that is what the intent of such a statement is.
Isnt it sad how some people (like lajawab) would term a 'terrorist and a murderer' as being Islam's hero. There are other people who deserve the title, not a cowardly lunatic like him.
perhaps you should be more careful with what you say then. as far as the rest of the world is concerned, unless you specify otherwise, the meaning of what you say is what mufakkar and i saw it was. more often than not, that is what the intent of such a statement is.
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Perhaps you should be more careful with what you say then. In my culture (whatever that comprises or however unimportant it may be) I do not have to precede a thought with the statement that I am not talking about everyone of any particular religion or country. That generalization is way too broad to ever approach. I didn't realize I was posting to the Borg where everyone had assimilated into one being. There are obviously different people from different backgrounds and countries that support OBL.
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Perhaps you should be more careful with what you say then. In my culture (whatever that comprises or however unimportant it may be) I do not have to precede a thought with the statement that I am not talking about everyone of any particular religion or country. That generalization is way too broad to ever approach. I didn't realize I was posting to the Borg where everyone had assimilated into one being. There are obviously different people from different backgrounds and countries that support OBL.
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Fine, I dont care whatever you have to do to retreat gracefully, so long as you arrive at your last statement.
Bear in mind though, that when you're talking about culture, the contemporary use of that is not to refer to a "Being", but to the group of people. And unless you specify otherwise, it refers to the group of people that run this forum and reside in the country next to india, because thats Bao's culture.
There is a fine line which differentiates between religious and political discussions.. and in my view, this thread is clearly on the other side. This is moved to World Affairs forum now.
Fine, I dont care whatever you have to do to retreat gracefully, so long as you arrive at your last statement.
Bear in mind though, that when you're talking about culture, the contemporary use of that is not to refer to a "Being", but to the group of people. And unless you specify otherwise, it refers to the group of people that run this forum and reside in the country next to india, because thats Bao's culture.
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I'm not retreating anywhere. I stand by my statement that the culture that breeds and supports OBL and his kind represent something as foreign to me as anything Star Trek has to offer. I don't intend to do a study of a poster by reading their biography and previous posts to determine their nationality or cultural identity. If they represent a particular nationality and/or religion then you draw your own conclusions based on your defintion of its 'comtemporay use'. The opening post to this thread quotes religous dogma to justify the acts of OBL. After further study that person is from London with a Spanish name and an un-Islamic American icon. Based on those facts it is evident that the culture that supports OBL does not necessarily reside in a country next to India or belong to any of the other groups I am supposed to be stereotyping.
does anybody have any justifaction for millions of innocent muslims and non muslims(japan, korea, vietnam and everywhere els) women and childerns in iraq and everywhere who were murdered by usa and her friends.(india, russia,serbia, jews(israel) and others)
“does anybody have any justifaction for millions of innocent muslims and non muslims(japan, korea, vietnam and everywhere els) women and childerns in iraq and everywhere who were murdered by usa and her friends.(india, russia,serbia, jews(israel) and others)”
Isn’t this the heart of it? Innocent Japanese? Russia our friend? India was a Soviet proxy state until recently. Yet the Al-Jazeera Generation only knows that the US was in a fight. They know little about the regimes we fought, nor the complete horrors of those regimes. Funny thing, the “Guardian” never runs articles on the absolute brutality of the Imperial Japanese. No wonder Al-Qaedda has such a following, when there is such rampant ignorance.
So little Al-Jazeera ignorant one, read before you come here. Start with the “innocent Japanese”. The web site below is the product of a professor who was nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work. Fear not, there is a chapter on the killing by the US too, for fairness sake. If Al-Qaedda is recruiting people based on the perception that the US was at fault in World War II, then it is imperative to reinform people who have no historical perspective.