Seminole, agree it does not prove that Israel or US was behind 911. To be honest we will never know. I do believe that Osama had proclaimed US as its enemy. What I do not understand is why is it so hard for you to entertain the thought that Israel could be behind this? Afterall, they believe "only good Arab is a dead arab". So why not do something that will enhance that cause.
Again I am just arguing the point, do not think that I am proposing a conspiracy theory.
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No do ont try to change the topic on us now. Stu and Seminole you have both questioned on numerous occasions to explain ho wthis war has or will benefit Israel. This is one of the proofs that shows that they have.
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Hold on there. Benny tells the world that the 911 attack will strengthen the bond and relations between Israel and the US because we have felt first hand the horrors of a terror attack. Fine and dandy.
Now show me the logical connect as to how that statement is proof that the WAR benefits Israel in such a way that it makes the slightest sense that Israel was responsible for the 911 attacks.
If that's what Israel wanted to do, wouldn't they have been better off laying the blame on the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Hamas, or one of the other Palestinian terror organizations. Wouldn't 130,000 US troops in the West Bank and Gaza and a few daisy cutters in Jenin, Sabra or Shatilla have benefited Israel far more than having them in Afghanistan and Iraq? Wouldn't they have benefited more by getting a huge slice of the 100s of billions of dollars we've spent on the Iraq war and now the reconstruction of Iraq?
And if the theory is that the 911 attack resulted in the US giving Israel a free hand to do what they wanted in Gaza and the West Bank, you better be able to show the handcuffs the US had them in before 911. We vetoed about every anti-Israel Resolution brought in the UN Security Council BEFORE 911.
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
Hold on there. Benny tells the world that the 911 attack will strengthen the bond and relations between Israel and the US because we have felt first hand the horrors of a terror attack. Fine and dandy.
Now show me the logical connect as to how that statement is proof that the WAR benefits Israel in such a way that it makes the slightest sense that Israel was responsible for the 911 attacks.
If that's what Israel wanted to do, wouldn't they have been better off laying the blame on the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Hamas, or one of the other Palestinian terror organizations. Wouldn't 130,000 US troops in the West Bank and Gaza and a few daisy cutters in Jenin, Sabra or Shatilla have benefited Israel far more than having them in Afghanistan and Iraq? Wouldn't they have benefited more by getting a huge slice of the 100s of billions of dollars we've spent on the Iraq war and now the reconstruction of Iraq?
And if the theory is that the 911 attack resulted in the US giving Israel a free hand to do what they wanted in Gaza and the West Bank, you better be able to show the handcuffs the US had them in before 911. We vetoed about every anti-Israel Resolution brought in the UN Security Council BEFORE 911.
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Hold on there MV, here are the reasons why
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if israel has not taken the benefit then does Afghanistan has ?
or Iraq
the benefit has definately gone to the non-muslim world in the terms that they have got a license to kill muslims anywhere they suspect the so called "terrorism" is going onn
the terms of "fundamentalist" , "extremist" , "terrorist" not defined till now ] have been created by the "axis of evil" ONLY for the muslims
which have made a lot of muslims a brutal target both physically and psychologically
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Hold on there MV, here are the reasons why
Point one is well taken. You probably couldn't teach a Palestinian terrorist to fly a plane.
As to point three, which part of the Arab world has Israel harrassed and intimidated now that Saddam is gone that they had not already been harrassing and intimidating?
As to point two, Saddam was enemy no.1 for some countries including Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Do you forget why Saudi Arabia asked us to put our troops there in the first place? You have a better conspiracy argument by saying the Saudis caused 911 so that we would get rid of Saddam so then there would be no troops necessary and they would leave. Hmm.... come to think of it, that is pretty much what happened isn't it?
MV, saudia only asked us to put the troops after we showed them doctored satellite pictures of Saddam's army moving towards Saudia. So come on try something else.
Israel has more freedom in harassing Iran, Syria and Jordan now. They can use Iraq as a base for their army not to mention friendly skies that will provide enough tactical advantage.
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MV, saudia only asked us to put the troops after we showed them doctored satellite pictures of Saddam's army moving towards Saudia. So come on try something else.
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Puhleeze. Whatever the reason they asked for troops, they are leaving now. And they are leaving because Saddam is gone. MOTIVE for 911. AND, the presence of those troops just happens to be one of the items that OBL has complained about. Of course, since there is no OBL or Al Qaeda, the Israelis probably made them up so that we would blame 911 on them and the Saudi militants so that we would invade Iraq and then remove our troops from Saudi Arabia once we got rid of Saddam. Which is kind of counter-productive isn't it? Wouldn't Israel be safer and benefited more by having us keep our troops in Saudi Arabia to keep the thumbscrews on the Royal Family? Guess they didn't think that one through well enough.
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Israel has more freedom in harassing Iran, Syria and Jordan now. They can use Iraq as a base for their army not to mention friendly skies that will provide enough tactical advantage.
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Israel doesn't need to harrass Jordan. As to them getting "MORE" freedom to harass Syria, please show me where the US had reins on them before 911. What?? We reined Israel in so hard pre-911 that we kept them from taking MORE of the Golan Heights?
Exactly how has Israel been harassing and intimidating Iran MORE since 911? Israel seems to have its hands full in Gaza and the West Bank don't you think? Once they finish off the Palestinians, I guess Iran can start to worry.
Sorry Kaleem. None of the Israeli conspiracy makes sense.
MV. thoughts on "a clean break.."?
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1. It will be difficult to teach those guys how to fly airplanes.
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That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Are palestinians all retards in your view? Granted, they do some dumb things like strap bombs to their chests, but I don't think the would be any less capable than a Saudi (or is it a jew impersonating a Saudi?) when it comes to getting a student visa and attending a flight school to learn kamikaze techniques.
In your palestine = #1 and Iraq = #2 "enemies of Israel list", where do the Taliban and the (fictional) Osama rank? Above or below Iran and Syria? Remember, the Jews rigged the evidence to blame them. As mv said, guess they didn't think that one through well enough.
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and a nice confrontation
Kaleem Bhai Wins
keep puffing Bro.
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Yes, a muslim would NEVER do something like decaptitate an innocent hostage,
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But a muslim can decide who is innocent and who isn't, no?