Ahmadis are Kafir

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On a side note: I was going to open another thread for this but now that this post has gone astray from its original intent of NYA, and it also apears to be closing soon, I thought I would answer Abdul Basit here, to save him the trouble!

Basit,

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written by no one else but your British step child, Mirza Qaddiani.
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Your foul language does not prove anything other than NYA's sole reason for this post.

Now, for your accusations...

The above mentioned quotes are 'not' from Hazrat Ahmad (as) books! If you were in a hurry and read it too fast to notice, let me point it out to you:

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Hazrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad (ra) wrote the above!
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(Kalimat-ul-Fasl, P. 158; Review of Religions, March-April, 1915)

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The above quote is from 'Review of Religions' which is a monthly periodical dealing with day to day issues of Religion. The authors are Ahmadi as well as Non-Ahmadi. You failed to mention who wrote it!

Moving on to the issue of 'Kalima' and the above mentioned quotes.

This is an answer to the question by those who believe in Hazrat Muhammad (saw) to be the last prophet and put forward the 'Kalima' as the proof for it. And also object that if Hazrat Ahmad (as) was to come, why not Allah added him to the Kalima.

If you read the text above that is highight by your holiness Irshad sahib it says & I quote:

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The questioner thinks that the name of AnHazoor (saw) is in the 'kalima' because he is the last prophet, but he does seize to realize that its in the 'Kalima' because AnHzoor (saw) is the crown for all the prophets & Khatum-un-Nabeyeen and by taking AnHazoor (saw) name (in kalima) all other Prophets coming under it too! It is not necessary to take each & every prophets name seperatly!
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... and then he futher explains which you quoted that Hazrat Ahmad (as) is also a prophet, and has claimed everything in the **submission of the teachings of AnHazoor (saw) **and so he also comes under the kalima like all the other prophets that came before AnHazoor (saw)! So how does this become a new Kalima?

If you still believe the text shows otherwise, please quote it and then tell us what you understand of it ... Ok?

[This message has been edited by ahmadjee (edited September 10, 2001).]

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NYA,
why do u even bother to react on primitive and simple replies?
If some of us even had a bit of hayaa which ur parents taught you this disccussion would have been completely different.
My advise to all of you ; just read the first post and be a lil patient before you all respond and accuse each other of not being a (good) muslim. BTW who gave you THAT right?

i'm sorry folks, i should not be here in the first place.

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This anger and frustration (yes!! frsutration), not to mention "thaikaa laina" of who's kafir and whose not, in this thread represents a somewhat of a true picture of major segement of paksitani society. Uneducated and intolerant! Somewhat of maulana's pillays!!

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Salaam
TEll you brother i’m horrified to see how you decide which one is ‘‘muslim’’ and which one ‘‘kafir’’. Let me give you som examples:

Molana Rashid Gangohi wrote ..one who belive in that Hazrat Mohammad (saw) is ‘‘alam-ul-ghaib’’ is ** kafir..
(Ftawa Rashidiyya)

About Shias..They are not only ‘‘murtad’’, ‘‘kafir’’, ‘‘kharij-al-islam’’ but are enimies of Islam.
(Ulma-e-kram ka mutifika fatwaw, irtidade shia)

70 Ulem-e-deu band gave that fatwa about ahl-e-hadis that relationship with them, allowing them to enter the mosque is by sharia prohibited.
(ishtihar-e-matbooa abu-l-alai Press)

Ulama-e-hurmain sharif gave this fatwa about Deu bandis that they all are murtad. They are out of Islam.
(Molana Ahmed Raza Khan)

You are attacking on Ahmadis that when they say Kalma they mean mirza Ghulam Ahmed not Ahazrat Muhammad (saw). I don’t know when you got x-ray sight so you can see in thier heart. Read this..one of ‘‘your’’ prominent scholar said ** Ashraf ali rasool-ul-lah
(Risala Al imdad by Molana Ashraf Ali Sahib)
Why don’t you go out and claim that Molana Mohammad Ashraf is also a ‘‘Kafir’’ like Mirza Ghulam Ahmed?? Or you don’t have balls to do that??

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Frozenfire, this is the 2nd dead and buried ahmadi thread you've bumped up today, any particular reason?

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i didnt do nothing, why're u blaiming me for?

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** "A Muslims who calls his fellow muslim-brother a kafir, is a kafir himself"

I pointed this one already out, but it seems to me that it´s hard for you ppl to understand that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the promised Messenger...

There is a big proof:

Zia-ul-Haq, did you not hear/see how he had been destroyed by the might one...Our Allah?
Calling and declaring Ahmadies to Kafirs...What did you have to burry? Just a tooth!

Again, I dare you, don´t ever call a Ahmadi-Muslim as a Kafir...We are not the ones who can judge wether they are muslims or not!**

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Let's not revive such threads, please. It is futile and it won't work.