Bro I don’t think that is well-known. What Br. Mirch has posted, I have read that quite a while ago and I also agree with a lot of things in there though I am still against purging the hadith simply because I have not had the time to independently verify everything in the article. I think AKB and Mirch are more at polar opposities atleast in their perception of each other. My personal stance is somewhere in between … I’m am critical of certain ahadith but not all and will not outright reject whole collections of hadith. I think Mirch’s stand would be closer to mine. There is another difference of opinion I have regarding the hadith about Zina but then that is another topic and it gets into Naskh Mansukh concepts.
I think when some people come across certain ahadith, which might be not true though contained in our Sahih Hadith collections, and just goose themselves out of hadith collections in entirety without realizing that hadith collections are 75% of our history. There might be some select ahadith which we cannot digest rightfully but then 95% of the ahadith is the reason we understand the Quran and our history. IMHO the hadith are subject to a certain level of scrutiny which the Quran is not despite the sources of origin for both having considerable overlap because the Quran was verified by the Prophet SAW in its entirety during his lifetime whereas he SAW personally never verified private hadith collections kept by companions.
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level." --Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.
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IMHO the hadith are subject to a certain level of scrutiny which the Quran is not despite the sources of origin for both having considerable overlap because the Quran was verified by the Prophet SAW in its entirety during his lifetime whereas he SAW personally never verified private hadith collections kept by companions.
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yes bro you are rite thats what we believe but how do we know that Prophet verified the Quran during his lifetime ? is there a narration verifying that ? handed down by hadith or seerah historians
There might be some select ahadith which we cannot digest rightfully but then 95% of the ahadith is the reason we understand the Quran and our history
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bro i will carry this further , hadith depends on knowledge of life history of narraters which in turn depend on the historians who recorded their names lineage place of residence and birth and death dates
i think there is a great overlap between history and hadith in the early historical writings period.
The Qur'an does indeed set the conditions for marriage, but it does not set the age. If both mental and physical maturity is the criteria as both of us have specified earlier where we part from agreement is where you say that "All 9 years olds" are not of meeting those conditions however I say that there might be some exceptions. Aisha (RA) was far more advanced mentally than other girls her age, however I have not gotten to the bottom of the age issue it seems there are some differences creeping up regarding that.
Child marriage was very common amongst ALL societies in the distant past. While in almost all cases it was a marriage between a young boy and young girl, there were some rare exceptions based on estate matters and other. The children were married but did not live together until after reaching adolescence. Therefore while it is perfectly fine to debate the age of Ayesha from a historical interest perspective, there is absolutely no need to do so to defend the prophet's marriage to her. The people who want to call the prophet names are still going to do that regardless of whether he was or wasn't.
But I would say again what is the purpose of this discussion? The person who brought this question up what he/she trying to achieve from from pollouting the youth's mind.
90% of these types of questions are not from Muslims
Being muslims its our duty to inform others about islam, answer to their questions as well as we all should be aware about correct answer with references.
I don’t knw what the purpose of this discussion but for answer this question i hav gone through many books to find out correct answer and infact it increase my knowledge.
JGanic and AKB, I don't understand what are you trying to achieve apart from polluting the minds of youth.
By looking at your posts I would be surprised if you are muslims, all you are doing wasting valuable time of various people on this forum.
If you are muslims I feel very sorry for you and your parents.
READ CAREFULLY!!! If you have read what is said in the post you will not find anything that is polluting muslim youth. I agree that this type of discussions should be shunned from non-muslims because it would only create confusion and diversion.
However, I personally believe that it would be unthinkable that any islamic research should be solely based on report of two hadiths without analytical reasoning. Allah says in Quran: 67:10 (Y. Ali) They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the Blazing Fire!"
READ CAREFULLY!!! If you have read what is said in the post you will not find anything that is polluting muslim youth. I agree that this type of discussions should be shunned from non-muslims because it would only create confusion and diversion.
However, I personally believe that it would be unthinkable that any islamic research should be solely based on report of two hadiths without analytical reasoning. Allah says in Quran: 67:10 (Y. Ali) They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the Blazing Fire!"
You are reading Urdu Translation or English translation of four Imams research. I have seen there are many people who have translated their books does not have solid understanding of the language. If someone has written in English then they translated in Urdu and if someone is written in Urdu it is then trnaslated in English
Discussing these kind of topics is pollouting youths mind, if original poster was interested inthis topic he/she could have gone to a scholar and clarified this.
How many scholars are sitting on google, all of us copying and pasting it without checking the sources if they belong to authenic organisations or not.
I know everyone in this forum does not just copy and paste but there are peoplewho are just copying and pasting and all these people are reading pasted info and becoming astray we will be responsible for them. Therefore it's our duty if someone is asking a question like the current post we should anser him or her by PM and close the thread. These kind of threads or topics should not be open for discussion in public.
