wa’alaykum as-salam
Jazak Allah khayran for your advice and I will try to tone down myself. However, people like Mirch don’t deserve any benefit of doubt. His modernism and support of un-Islamic practices and ideology is too well known on this forum. His arguments in this very thread are proof of that! What I said is not far fetched and it is a legitimate question and argument. Why do people like Mirch question teachings of Islam only when they are challenged by the west? So if something is challenged by the west and they are not happy about it then we need to through it out of Islam. For example in this case, if the norm would have remained the same and west has not been intellectually corrupted do you think people like Mirch would question the authenticity of these narrations? Why don’t they question things like wiping bottom of jurab (socks) instead of top?
The core reason for such arguments is more deeper than these secondary arguments which they bring forward to confuse the average gullible Muslim.
This is already understood but this doesn’t support your argument. For you to say that I made mistake while doing A, you will have to prove that I did make a mistake while doing A. Here is your line of argument:
1 - Men are fallible.
2 - Men narrated ahadith
4 - Therefore, men made mistakes while narrating these ahadith.
Your premise #1 and conclusion are flawed! Just because men are fallible doesn’t mean that they made a mistake while narrating ahadith. One will have to prove that they did make a mistake in this regard. Each case must be observed indviually and a general rule cannot be applied, otherwise you are saying that men always make mistakes. If we agree with your conclusion then we can never say that what has been narrated to us is authentic, which by the way includes many other historical accounts and the Qur’an.
Why the same line of argument is not applied when it comes to the Qur’an? Let me make it simpler for you:
1 - Men are fallible
2 - Men narrated the Qur’an to us.
3 - Therefore, men made mistakes while narrating the Qur’an to us.
Are you willing to agree with 2nd conclusion? On what basis do you disagree? How do you know that for first conclusions they made a mistake but for 2nd they didn’t?
I am sorry for harsh comments but I simply cannot swallow such irrationality from hadith rejectors like yourself.
you can count my mistakes all you want but next time don’t attack me with a straw man.
only Allah knows whether they are sincere or not; I am simply taking the apparent meaning of your statements. As far whether I made a mistake or you simply not trying to understand things here is open to everyone!
Did Prophet Muhammad (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) come to your home to give you a copy of the Qur’an? Or did it come through some fallible men who are bound to make mistakes?
that is your double standard; you believe and trust one thing from person X but not the other. really!
No one is asking you to respond to me and discussions are entertained with those who try to use some rationale and not beat around the bush. I have dealt with you in the past and I know where this will go