Re: Aga Khan introduces "Ali is truly Allah" as the Confession of Faith
No he is not. He is against Shirk my friend. If you tell me you are a Muslim and than call Hazrat Ali(ra) Allah. I will tell you that you have committed Shirk and you sir are not Muslim. I will also ask you not to call yourself Muslim becuase that is not what Muslims belive in and I would not want you to spread lies about Islam and Muslims.
Re: Aga Khan introduces "Ali is truly Allah" as the Confession of Faith
^ Okay, so you say that to the face of every Aga Khani you meet. Then what?
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
Yes Imam Ali always said the word of Allah and never went against it and he never persumed himself to be supperior then Allah (nauzbilah) and he never wanted his followers to do so.
It’s the people who misinterpret the message..they can be shia, sunni, whatever..
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
You don’t have to insult anyone. You can polietly tell them it’s shirk and if they still continue it they’ll be answerable to Allah..you have done your job.
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
when are we going to rate people not by their beliefs, their skin color, their race but by the content of their character. For God sake if Agha Khanis believ in whatever why should we or for that matter anybody care.
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
I haven’t rated anyone nor insulted… maybe you need to read my reply again…thanks..
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
[quote=“armughal”]
shiaas have elevated the person of Ali (ra) to different levels, higher than his actual rank,…
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Hmmm I don’t agree with Nusairee taking Hazrat Ali A.S. as God…because Hazrat Ali A.S. bowed down to Allah himself…and prayed to the God infact was killed in a mosque. … but what exactly do you mean by shias elevating them to higher ranks from actual… what is his actual rank to you… how do you set rank for the most knowledgeable, bravest best of the best companions of the Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H… what is actual rank to you Mr.?
Tell me who was awarded Zulfiqar from Allah SWT?
Tell me for whom did Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. said…
“For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla).”
Tell me who led to the final victory of Khyber?
Tell me who had the honor to perform the funeral Services Of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.
Tell me who risked his life by sleeping at the bed of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H.
Tell me who has the honor to be born inside Kaaba
Whats the actual rank… I am sure none of us has such honors…
so he is not Allah like I said because he believed in God and he is better than us based on the honor he recieved… so what exactly is the actual rank of this person if you think you are pious enough to give him an actual rank what is it … ???
http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/
http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
Replacing Salaaat with Dua??? Care to give me references to your claim before you start spreading rumors… Who told you shias don’t pray salaat.. Nauzubillah… please research before you start spreading rumors about somebody… Its because of people like you spreading rumors…we are so divided at the divded at a time we need to be most united
Re: Aga Khan introduces "Ali is truly Allah" as the Confession of Faith
^^ Is it also a rumor that Shia’s prayer is incomplete without doing tabarrah on Sahaaba and mother of momineen bibi Aesha?
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
Yes it is a rumor.. I have been to shia mosque and never saw or heard anything like that in the prayer. The main difference in the prayer is they say a dua in 2nd rakat before rakooh and that dua was…(err i forgot the dua, it a very common dua, shia sunni every one knows)..I’ll post the dua later…
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^^ They don’t do it during salaat but in their secret majlis. Even our own shia guppie Sheraz_CT admits that it is justified to cuss 3 khulafa and Bibi aaehsa.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=178031&page=3&pp=30
Re: Aga Khan introduces "Ali is truly Allah" as the Confession of Faith
Those who are asking about rumours, you can surely do some research about them on your own:) instead of asking everyone about these rumours which you heard in 5th grade
Also, If some people involved in activities which leads to shirk, then it does not mean that we should generalize it and apply on everyone.
There are millions of sunnis who are actively involved in shirk, and activities which are forbidden in islam.
Important thing is that one should always ask guidance from Allah, becasue we are not infallible and nor our forefathers were.
Re: Aga Khan introduces "Ali is truly Allah" as the Confession of Faith
Again, Codey, I totally disagree with you. These are not rumours I heard, my Islamic school teacher who was a phd in Arabic and Islamic studies told me the things I have put forth on the forum. There is obviously some controversy in the topic, whatever your personal beliefs are.
And frankly, there would be no reason for these forums to exist if we should all go and research in the library instead of discuss information here.
Really, you need to speak with other moderators about your moderating style. You are to moderate, not impose your knowledge on others.
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
The masjid I go to, the mulana said it’s wrong…We have majlis, milad everything in our home, but my parents don’t encourage/condem abusing sahabas.
There is a lot of stuff i read on this forum about shias but I don’t see any of that being practiced in my home/family or the shias I know of…
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Texan Dude:
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Originally Posted by CheGuvera
Thats because shiaism and its followers’ only raison d’etre is to curse the sahabis and worship ali…Allah, Rasool and his sunnah and Quran are irrelevant…and best kept out…and thats why tabbarah is an essential pillar or their wicked cult…
Another bunch of false accusations without any references…
Don’t shia pray?
Don’t they perform hajj?
Don’t they recite Quran?
Hazrat Ali A.S is our imam not Allah…
www.al-islam.org/ghadir/
http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/
You guys lie so openly … spread rumors like nothing… Please please if you have something productive to say..please give references… Seems like everyone here has done PHD in shiasm and knows things about shiasm… shias themselves don’t do or know. Do you guyz realize how many innocent people are getting killed because of all the romours you people have been spreading..how many kids became orphans and how many sisters became widow…because people out here just spread rumors on shias..without any references…Don’t you guyz have to answer Allah S.W.T.
Please stop spreading rumors and stop killing shias based on the rumors you people hear…let Allah be the judge. We all have to answer for own deeds…I would like to remind you sunni friends again of the incident I quoted earlier
A lady threw a stone at Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and one day she didn’t… and when he find out she was sick he went to her ayadat… thats the sunnah of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. He didn’t ask to kill the lady… First work on your faith and let others follow their believes and be answerable to Allah SWT
Astagfirullah
Re: Aga Khan introduces "Ali is truly Allah" as the Confession of Faith
Guys, please don't force us to lock or remove everyother thread. Why can't you discuss and debate issues on merit without indulging in personalized attacks.
This was an important issue and a charge being levelled against the Shia's ( for good or bad, justified or unjustified reasons). But that doesn't give any of us the right to make sweeping generalisations based upon 'what you have heard or read' about another sect.
All of you, please exercise caution. Thanks.
Re: Aga Khan introduces “Ali is truly Allah” as the Confession of Faith
The Quran teaches us off amr bil maroof wa nahi an al munkar. To tell people of the good and to stop the evil.
Live and let live…is not an Islamic philosophy. Its a product of the West. Every man for himself, isolated and segregated…let others do what they are doing. Islam teaches unity, brotherhood, caring for others, sharing and teaching and guiding.
Re: Aga Khan introduces "Ali is truly Allah" as the Confession of Faith
Salamaleikum,
This topic is for elders, I guess.how can young people throw light on someone's believe. It might be just propaganda against them. As there was propaganda against Shia main stream muslims. "that they believe Ali as prophet. But now we saw in shia countries that they believe in prophet mohammed (sa) as last prophet not ali at all. People do propaganda against others when they do not read others books to know their religion theory and practical.Why shall we start a new issue in pakistan, like we always have baraelwe, deyoubandi, fatmi, jamati, ahmadi, ismaeili, bohri, main stream sunni shia etc.