Afghan women say present Kabul regime outdoes Taliban

This is a pretty significant statement, coming from RAWA, and organisation which was hugely anti-Taliban, and who were often quoted by the west when reporting on the treatment of women under the Taliban regime.

Afghan women say present Kabul regime outdoes Taliban

More than 100 Afghan women staged a protest in the Pakistani capital accusing Afghanistan’s post-Taliban regime of surpassing their predecessors in violating human and women’s rights. “After the Taliban’s demolition (two years ago), their fascist brothers were installed into power for the second time and these religious fascist jihadis act in a more bloody and heinous way than their Taliban brethren,” a statement issued by the Revolutionary Association of Afghan Women (RAWA) said Wednesday. The statement was distributed by RAWA protesters outside United Nations offices in Islamabad to mark World Human Rights day.

The organisation, which campaigned clandestinely at great risk against the Taliban and their brutal treatment of women, said “violence continues against women” under the current regime. RAWA alleged there were unaccountable incidents of rape, forced marriages and incidents of self-immolation and suicides by women under the present transitional government, which is dominated by leaders of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. The alliance defeated the Taliban regime in late 2001 with the help of a massive US bombardment campaign. RAWA accused northern warlords Abdul Rashid Dostam, an Uzbek commander, his Tajik rival Atta Mohammad, and western strongman Ismail Khan, now governor of Herat province as figures of gross crimes against women. During the five-year rule of the Taliban, who seized power in 1996, women were banned from classrooms and workplaces and forced to wear the all-covering burqa veil in rarely permitted forays from home. Since the collapse of the militia, women have slowly clawed back some of their rights, returning to jobs, schools and public life. But many oppressions remain.

Re: Afghan women say present Kabul regime outdoes Taliban

Under the present regime and watch full eyes of NA Afghanistan will harvest the biggest poppy crop ever in the history of mankind. America simply doesn’t have the balls to take on the drug lords. Of course the gals will need to hide behind someone, without NA they are no more then pu$$y sh!t. This is one more attributes I thought should be added to the list.

Read all about it.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EL09Ag02.html
Governments back home in the NATO countries are reluctant to get their soldiers drawn into tackling drug trafficking as this would make the troops targets of the all-powerful drug syndicates. Therefore, even if they come on a field of poppy or an opium warehouse, the troops are under instructions not to act against it. “The troops have orders to look the other way. Orders from on high,” reports Der Spiegel, adding, “An open confrontation with the drug lords would be like a declaration of war.”

Narcotics is financing weapons purchases by warlords, encouraging lawlessness and threatening security in Afghanistan. The central government’s hold over the country - fragile to begin with - is being undermined by the narco-trade, as it is increasing the hold of the warlords over their fiefdoms. It is weakening the aims of the “war against terrorism” and the reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan. Yet the ISAF is under orders to look the other way.

This article is proof of something which many muslims have been saying for a long time " Oppression of women in afganistan has got nothing to do with Islam and it is the afgani culture whci is oppressive to women".

Seems when the taliban oppress women its wrong but when the American allies do it its ok, does the American govt have any consistent values or do they just have intrests which are constantly changing?

So we agree that the anti Taliban is as bad as the Taliban. Seriously what is the way out for Afghan women?

I remember just how often RAWA was quoted by western media sources when RAWA (against whom I still stand opposed, what with them being communist red scum and all) were vocally condemning the Taliban.

Now that RAWA is condemning the stooges the US installed in Afghanistan as being even worse than the Taliban the US removed ... the media is being quieter about them, with articles such as this one very rarely filtering through.

Well actually no, that’s not true.

Clearly much more needs to be done by the international community to arrest the animals who are raping women and oppressing them, but as it’s is stated below it has improved. The women feel safest when the peacekeepers are around, which a great number are Americans. It’s taken the U.S. to get it a little better and it will take more from the world to move it further out to the rest of the country.

LONDON (AlertNet) – In Kabul, under the watchful eyes of NATO forces, women can walk alongside men, hold jobs and send their daughters to school. Hopes are high that Afghanistan’s first attempt at a democratic constitution will deliver even more freedoms.

Women elsewhere are not so lucky. In rural communities controlled by repressive warlords, many are forced to submit to intrusive gynaecological exams if seen with men outside their families, and girls have set themselves on fire to avoid being sold into marriage.

Women’s rights groups say the good intentions of Afghanistan’s new constitution, unveiled in draft form this month, will come to little unless the warlords are toppled and peacekeeping forces are expanded throughout Afghanistan’s 32 provinces.

“There is fighting all over the country,” said Mamizha Naderi, administrative director of Women for Afghan Women (WAW), a New York-based NGO working to create opportunities for Afghan women.

“Woman in Kabul feel safer because the peacekeeping troops protect them from fundamentalists, but outside of Kabul women do not go outside. There is no security.

“The only way to bring peace and security to Afghanistan is to expand the peacekeeping troops. I just don’t understand why they are not doing it. They did it in Kosovo and Bosnia. Why are they not doing it in Afghanistan?”

Two years after the U.S.-led removal of the hardline Taliban regime, hopes for change focus on the Loya Jirga, or traditional Afghan grand council, which will vote next month on whether to adopt the new constitution.

The draft is now being circulated throughout the provinces as Afghans prepare to elect Constitutional Loya Jirga representatives. Women’s groups will choose 64 of the assembly’s 500 members, while Afghan President Hamid Karzai is required to appoint 25 women.

Women have had unprecedented input in drafting the constitution. They held two of nine seats on a board created last year by President Hamid Karzai to outline the ideological framework of the constitution, and seven seats of a 35-member review commission.

While the Constitutional Review Commission says it has tried to incorporate women’s rights into the draft and sought recommendations from ordinary women, pressure groups say that without nationwide security, whatever rights it offers will be little more than a luxury for a minority of Afghan women.

While there have been improvements and Afghanistan recently celebrated the unprecedented number of girls in school – an estimated one million – rape and forced marriage are on the rise again and many women continue to wear the burqa for security, RAWA’s website says.

“Hospitals are open, but they are dirty, filthy and there is not enough medicine,” Saryal said. “It is better because women have a choice now, but outside of Kabul people are scared to send their daughters to school because of security.

“Clearly it is better than how it was under the Taliban since we don’t have the official restrictions. Now women are not forced to wear the burqa, although that was never the main tragedy of Afghan women as it was portrayed by the western media.”

Women in Kabul are free to talk in public without fear of persecution, but elsewhere it is common for women to be hauled into hospitals by religious police to undergo gynaecological examinations for the purpose of “chastity checks”, according to a Human Rights Watch Report published in 2002.

Naderi said that for peace to be sustained, it was vital to increasing security forces in Afghanistan and target human rights programmes at both men and women.

Very true. Before October 2001 many of us on this board posted quite a lot of material on the deeds i.e. war crimes of the NA thugs against women in Afghanistan. The most nortorious American-backed warlords who were helped into power by the American war in Afghanistan are the likes of Abdul Rashid Dostum and Ismail Khan.

Here is one report just a few months ago on the worsening situation for women in Afghanistan…

Afghanistan: Warlords Implicated in New Abuses - Report Details Threats to Women’s Rights, Freedom of Expression](Afghanistan: Warlords Implicated in New Abuses (Human Rights Watch Press release, New York, July 29, 2003))

The whole report is pretty graphic detailing rape of girls, women and boys by soldiers and commanders propelled into power in regional fiefdoms by the US military.

Good one America!

Another fine mess you got us into!

RAWA now criticze the Current regime in afghanistan along with there American sponsors they will now definetly be sidelined.

Drugs production has shot up along with other crimes, boy what an achivement.

What did the Americans expect in afghanistan when they put into power gangsters with tanks and missles, did they expect these guys to come out and say Just say no to drugs or did they expect them to help little old ladies cross the road!

Is the penatagon really that naive!

http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/ai-women2.htm
Afghanistan:
No justice and security for women

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, 6 October 2003

** “During the Taleban era if a woman went to market and showed an inch of flesh she would have been flogged, now she’s raped.” **

“Nearly two years on, discrimination, violence, and insecurity remain rife, despite promises by world leaders, including President Bush and US Secretary of Sate Colin Powell, that the war in Afghanistan would bring liberation for women,” the organization emphasized.

** The new report “Afghanistan: No one listens to us and no one treats us a human beings. Justice denied to women” documents Afghan women’s concerns about widespread domestic violence, forced marriage, and rape by armed groups. In some cases underage girls as young as eight years old are married to much older men. **

No such thing happened during Taliban regime.. Talibs were nuts no doubt but they were without any doubt better then the NA drug pushers and baa$tards.

Welcome to ground realities and NA the chums of US. Now what was that misses monkey saying exactley two years ago?.. could someone dig out the archives please…

http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/dec10-03e.htm

Two years have elapsed since the US and its allies attacked Afghanistan under the slogan of “defending human rights”, punishing their servants of yesterday and toppling their medieval-minded regime. But still we cannot trace any sign of stability, peace and security in the country. Instead, after the Taliban’s demolition, their fascist brothers were installed into power for the second time; ** and these religious-fascist Jehadis act in a more bloody and heinous way than their Taliban brethren, ** violating human and women’s rights, fanning religious and ethnic differences, ** looting, raping, and abusing our people in such a way as to even surpass the Taliban. **

quiz…
Which country’s industrial base has expanded in two years that it has become the biggest supplier of poppy in the world? 2/3 of world supply comes from this industrial power house. :rotfl:

*...after the Taliban's demolition, their fascist brothers were installed into power for the second time; and these religious-fascist Jehadis act in a more bloody and heinous way than their Taliban brethren, violating human and women's rights, fanning religious and ethnic differences, looting, raping, and abusing our people in such a way as to even surpass the Taliban. *

This coming from RAWA, should be an eye opener for some American'c especially as it was this group that was often quoted to justify the war against the Taliban.

U.S. went to war with Taliban because of 9/11, not their treatment of women. The oppression of women seems to be a very common theme over there.

Well now that American’s are admitting that they did not wage war against Afghanistan to “liberate” the Afghan people, especially the women whom they used for their propoganda, they should explain why they put rapists and murderers who are as bad if not worse than the Taliban into power.

Rule of the rapists](Rule of the rapists | Mariam Rawi in Kabul | The Guardian)