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’Babri demolition day of glory’

Senior BJP leader Kalyan Singh has expressed surprise over party chief L.K. Advani’s remark in Pakistan that the Babri Masjid demolition was the “saddest day” of his life.

“In 1992, it was Advaniji who had termed December 6,1992 as the ‘liberation day.’ I don’t know what he is saying today,” Singh told Aaj Tak when asked to react to the BJP chief’s remarks made in Islamabad a couple of days back.

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Advani slammed for Babri ‘treachery’

Ahmedabad, June 4: Some unidentified persons put up posters in the city decrying the statement made on the Babri Masjid issue by BJP president and leader of the Opposition L K Advani during his Pakistan trip.

Posters saying "Advani Hinduon ko jawab do…saat baar Somnath tuta…Kisne maafi maangi? Ayodhya me jo tuta woh mandir tha…phir kyun maafi maangi?

(Advani reply to Hindus…Somnath Temple was destroyed seven times and nobody apologised… What was destroyed in Ayodhya was a temple (originally)… Then why apologise?) were put up by suspected VHP activists.

Though none of the senior local VHP leaders were available for comment, the city VHP unit said in a press release that “Advani should apologise to the Hindus for his statements in Pakistan”.

A poster in Ellisbridge area read “Jhutha khel… Jhuthivaani… Hindu drohi hai Advani” (false play… false words…Advani is anti-Hindu).

When contacted, Ellisbridge police said that they were not aware of the poster and that it was not an offence as such.

Hindu leaders in Ayodhya have already flayed Advani for describing December 6, 1992 Ayodhya incident as the “saddest day of his life”.

Advani is a BJP MP from Gandhinagar constituency which encompasses many areas of Ahmedabad city as well.

’Babri demolition day of glory’

Senior BJP leader Kalyan Singh has expressed surprise over party chief L.K. Advani’s remark in Pakistan that the Babri Masjid demolition was the “saddest day” of his life.

“In 1992, it was Advaniji who had termed December 6,1992 as the ‘liberation day.’ I don’t know what he is saying today,” Singh told Aaj Tak when asked to react to the BJP chief’s remarks made in Islamabad a couple of days back.

The former Uttar Pradesh chief minister said BJP has not contradicted his stand on Babri Masjid demolition and “I think that it is also the party’s stand.”

Singh said he has no remorse, regret or pain over the demolition and “I consider December 6,1992 as the day of glory.”

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Actually, unlike babri masjid, we never knowcked down the temples at Katas, they were simply neglected. Some of the disreputable local people defaced the temples and worse, but they still stand by and large the same as they always have. Some Afghan squaters have taken up residence in the are recently I believe, and they may have made some of the mess. Its rather unfortunate, the locals take a lot of pride in this place otherwise. Many of my family have grown up spending long hot summers there in the pool. Also, every year a Hindu Pilgramage from India and some Pakistani Hindus aswell I think, do a little restoration, but for the most part the site was left abandoned. I was surprised that for all the legend most Indian Hindus have no clue about this place.
Its not half as popular as Babri Mosque. Althoug im sure it can be given the right circumstances.

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What nonsense! Cannot you adjust one mosque against thousand temples which Muslims demolished in India?

This man Advani is a hypocrite. I could admire him if he had said all such things praising Jinnah, and his anguish over Babri in India. But he has lost credibility for making all such statement, by changing his stand (may be for the time being) in Pakistan.

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I dont care about the thousands of temples Muslims knocked down, I havent counted nor have I ever heard of a survey on how many temples Muslims knocked down. I think Hindus tend to exagerate sometimes.
Anyways, my point was only to show you that despite being in a Muslim country, the Katas temples are still standing, although in less then glorious fashion.
I bet you didnt even know there was such a place anyways:)

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If you study history with an open mind, you will find many such examples…For many Mosque/ Islamic structures you do not need any survey, just a look is enough to find debrises and stones of Hindu temples used in the constructions.

Yes, I knew nothing of this temple.

A Pak freind had long back told me that many Hindu temples in Pakistan were grabbed by land mafia, or trading centres, schools were opened at these places. I could find a few supproting newsitems in web.
Can you tell me if it is true?

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anjjan the government of Pakistan never distroyed any temples ever. People might have done it. After babri mosque distruction shanti nagar was attacked and temples were distroyed, but they were restored with money from different organisations, including jamat-e-Islami Pakistan.

On another note Advani was at the capital talk and told Hamir Mir that he wants to visit the jail where bhagat singh was held and killed at which Hamid Mir asked if he supported what bhagal singh did for independance.....i.e. attack govenrment assembly halls. Advani didnt have much to say.

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So, you have no information or you doubt that such things have happened, as ‘people might have done it’?
If a land mafia grabbs a Temple site, or it is given to some trade centre, how you are sure that Govt is not involved?

this is something new…can you inform the complete report, any website etc?

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I’l take your word for it as far the mosques are concerned. Although I dont know how to recognize a stone from a Hindu temple as opposed to one from anywhere else.
And there arent just a few temples, there are seven… Saath Garah. One of the temples is really old, and its almost gone. Its built into the rock. Another is very nice, its perched right over the spring. The temples at Katas are lieing vacant. No one uses them. A school, a Highschool for boys has been open for over twenty years now but its a seperate building a little of the road where the Katas temples are. Their are some Afghan refugee’s in the area I think, but they arent on the temple site itself. There has been some development, but its more for tourist promotion. A narrow road has been built circling up to and behind the temples. A resteraunt was opened a few years back..
Otherwise the only people their are some villagers who come with their cattle to drink from the stream or wash clothes.

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I dont have the complete report because i saw it on geo tv. But he did visit the place where bhagat singh and 2 of his friends were hanged in Lahore. It is also known that Bhagat Singh attacked state assembly during the british times with bomb. On the other hand when kashmiri freedom fighters attacked the Indian asembly it was a big deal (even though technically both bhagat singh and kashmiri fighters did the same thing). I am not saying that kashmiris did the right thing. But why is bhagat singh hero and kashmiris terrorists? Advani didnt have any answer to this either.

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Anjjan I have no doubt about it. It might have happened. Actually there is a huge possibility that it did happen. There are very less hindus in pakistan. Most of them live in the thar desert and are very poor(like other people tht live in thar or interior sindh). On the other hand the sikh gurd waras are very well taken care off in Pakistan. the reason is that they have an organisation that takes care of them, and even the Pakistan government is helping them. If there is a vacant building some where in punjab and no one visits it ever, what do you expect from ghundas. It will not matter to them whether it is a mosque or a temple or someones house. They will use it to do their ghunda gardi. But the government of Pakistan is planning to spend alot of money in the next few years to take care of those buildings that are of historical significant. So dont worry. When you come to Pakistan, there will be plenty of temples for you to go visit and pray at.

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Good point! We should start a thread on this one…

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Originally Posted by proudpakistani

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I dont have the complete report because i saw it on geo tv. But he did visit the place where bhagat singh and 2 of his friends were hanged in Lahore. It is also known that Bhagat Singh attacked state assembly during the british times with bomb. On the other hand when kashmiri freedom fighters attacked the Indian asembly it was a big deal (even though technically both bhagat singh and kashmiri fighters did the same thing). I am not saying that kashmiris did the right thing. But why is bhagat singh hero and kashmiris terrorists? Advani didnt have any answer to this either.
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Good point! We should start a thread on this one...

Can you tell us the number of people died in the assembly when Bhagat singh threw the grenade there? Please list the kids and women separately.

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Please dont blame me for him making crappy bombs and chosing a crappy time to attack. before he did that bhagat singh was already wanted for killing one person. And i dont blame his tactics either.

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and that one person was a police officer.
typical .....if one makes a conscious decision to be not ruthless, then he must be a coward.

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I dont know, but they made a hero out of him none the less… Now we should discuss how he isnt considered a terrorist? Just a question not defending anyone..

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My advice to kashmiri terrorists: Next time blow up Indian assembly and try not to kill anyone in it. it will make yu a hero rather than a terrorist.

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I can answer your question.
Bhagat Singh went to the assembly with deliberate decision to get arrested and after to use the court for propaganda. The bomb he exploded was prepared for noise, and killing agent chemicals were not used. He made some shots with his pistol in the air, and then handed over the pistol to the police. After he and his friend surrendered.

In the court he and his companion created a stage for propagating their ideas and goal. This tactic attracted the attention of press and local citizens.
Bhagat Singh became not only a know person, but he became a movement and a symbol of freedom.

Compare this act of Bhagat Singh to any of ‘freedom fighters’ of Kashmir? Do you find any similarity?

Islamic terrorists anywhere in the world when caught start with following words in the court ‘not guilty’.
And the media start finding some design behind the terror acts.

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I dont mind Kashmiri militants blowing up Indian ministers and their assemblies.

The only problem is Pakistani govt supporting then with materials and training.

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The jihadis in Kashmir are mostly Punjabi jahils, who have no locus standi there. Bhagat singh was an Indian, fighting for Indian freedom. That's the difference.

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Talwar, you not being a Mulsim (not that im such a great one myself), wouldnt understand this point. A Jihadi often doesnt see himself as anything but a Muslim, so for him, Kashmir is his struggle for freedom as much as Baghat Singhs was for India... For Die hard Muslims, any fight where a Muslim is up against some outside power, is his enemy too:) Its part of Islamic ideology...

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