Hindus do not say Shiva is the only God, but Muslims do say that Allah is the only God. Moreover, Hinduism does not have the concept of infidels or non-believers which Islam has. Make sense ?
Nope. But when you say Shiva is God, Ram is God, Vishnu is God (pardon me for making mistakes in name since I am not well versed in names of hindu gods), are you not saying that Allah is not the only God that muslim claim? or are you telling me that you also only believe in one ness of Allah and all above are not gods?
Nope. But when you say Shiva is God, Ram is God, Vishnu is God (pardon me for making mistakes in name since I am not well versed in names of hindu gods), are you not saying that Allah is not the only God that muslim claim? or are you telling me that you also only believe in one ness of Allah and all above are not gods?
I do not say that Shiva is the only God, which would imply that Allah is not. But you would say that Allah is the only God implying that Shiva is not.
As an example, I could say I am a male or I could say that I am the only male (thereby implying that others are not male). There is a difference between the two.
I do not say that Shiva is the only God, which would imply that Allah is not. But you would say that Allah is the only God implying that Shiva is not.
As an example, I could say I am a male or I could say that I am the only male (thereby implying that others are not male). There is a difference between the two.
you are not getting it yaar. To muslims, it is a great and unpardonable sin to associate other gods with Allah. So, when you say that Allah is not the only God, you are essentially saying there are other gods besides Allah which one can associate to insult the muslim faith of believing in only one God :)
Anyway, i think we are going in circular argument, there is no point in doing that. Let's agree to disagree.
you are not getting it yaar. To muslims, it is a great and unpardonable sin to associate other gods with Allah. So, when you say that Allah is not the only God, you are essentially saying there are other gods besides Allah which one can associate to insult the muslim faith of believing in only one God :)
Anyway, i think we are going in circular argument, there is no point in doing that. Let's agree to disagree.
So if I say that I am the only male, and you say that you are also male (I am assuming you are but sorry if you are not), then are you insulting me by implying that I am not the only male ? That's ridiculous logic, my friend :)
So if I say that I am the only male, and you say that you are also male (I am assuming you are but sorry if you are not), then are you insulting me by implying that I am not the only male ? That's ridiculous logic, my friend :)
your analogy is flawed. You are trying to put this in to logic by comparing oranges with Apples. can't help there.
See you have to understand that by saying you are not the only male, I am also a male does not affect you. But when you saying Allah is not the only God but there are other gods too, that affects/contradicts the whole faith of Muslims. This is what I was trying to say.
Should mulsim feel offended. I say 'No!' . So you should not feel insulted otherwise too.
See you have to understand that by saying you are not the only male, I am also a male does not affect you. But when you saying Allah is not the only God but there are other gods too, that affects/contradicts the whole faith of Muslims. This is what I was trying to say.
Should mulsim feel offended. I say 'No!' . So you should not feel insulted otherwise too.
My argument was based around logic, not feelings :) My point is that its the same logic - never mind the faith part since thats a whole different debate.
I do not say that Shiva is the only God, which would imply that Allah is not. But you would say that Allah is the only God implying that Shiva is not.
As an example, I could say I am a male or I could say that I am the only male (thereby implying that others are not male). There is a difference between the two.
You cannot acknowledge Allah (SWT) as a God besides other Gods ... The Name Allah means The Deity (Exclusive) ... If you acknowledge Allah (SWT) then you must also acknowledge what is Attributed to Allah (SWT) which is He is the First, He is the Last, He has not Partner ... So it is impossible to accept Allah (SWT) if you already accept other Gods besides Him. The moment you try to accept Him, you will have to dethrone the gods you have besides Him.
You cannot acknowledge Allah (SWT) as a God besides other Gods ... The Name Allah means The Deity (Exclusive) ... If you acknowledge Allah (SWT) then you must also acknowledge what is Attributed to Allah (SWT) which is He is the First, He is the Last, He has not Partner ... So it is impossible to accept Allah (SWT) if you already accept other Gods besides Him. The moment you try to accept Him, you will have to dethrone the gods you have besides Him.
I am arguing the logic and not the faith. Faith can be irrational at times, but logic is always objective.
I am arguing the logic and not the faith. Faith can be irrational at times, but logic is always objective.
I am arguing logic too ...
Look say a person says:
"Shiva is God"
"Allah is also God"
The logic that follows is that there are atleast 2 Gods ...
Allah means "The Only Deity"
Therefore: we have an inherent contradiction ...
We cannot say Shiva is one of more than one Gods, when we say at the same time that "There is only One Deity" ...
The only way it can work is to say that Shiva is another Name of Allah (SWT) ... and that there is Only One Deity. We don't say that, because that is not something Allah (SWT) Attributes to Himself.
It becomes logically necessary to reject all other icons of worship when Allah (SWT) is acknowledged.
The only way it can work is to say that Shiva is another Name of Allah (SWT) ... and that there is Only One Deity. We don't say that, because that is not something Allah (SWT) Attributes to Himself.
So does it work if I say Allah is just another name of Shiva ?