About 40 dead in Baghdad after bombing

Suicide Attacks Kill 39 Across Baghdad
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By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Car bombers struck the international Red Cross headquarters and four police stations across Baghdad on Monday, killing about 40 people in a spree of destruction that terrorized the Iraqi capital on the first day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, according to police and Red Cross reports.

The Red Cross said 12 were killed there, and police said 27 were killed in the police station bombings, most of them Iraqis but including at least one U.S. soldier. The U.S. authorities did not confirm an American death.

The bombings came hours after clashes in the Baghdad area killed three U.S. soldiers overnight, and a day after insurgents devastated a hotel full of U.S. occupation officials with a rocket barrage, killing a U.S. colonel and wounding 18 other people. U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz was in the hotel, but was unhurt.

It was two days of violence unprecedented in this city of 5 million people since the end of the U.S.-Iraq (news - web sites) war last April, attacks aimed at the American-led occupation and those perceived as working with it.

“We feel helpless when see this,” a distraught Iraqi doctor said at the devastated Red Cross offices.

In Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad, witnesses said U.S. troops opened fire, killing at least four Iraqi civilians, after a roadside bomb exploded as a U.S. military convoy passed. The U.S. command did not immediately confirm the incident or any U.S. casualties.

At the offices of the International Committee of the Red Cross in central Baghdad, witnesses said a suicide bomber drove an explosives-packed vehicle, apparently an ambulance, right up to security barriers outside the building at about 8:30 a.m. and detonated it, blowing down the Red Cross’s front wall, devastating the interior and blowing shrapnel and debris over a wide area.

The ICRC said at its headquarters in Geneva that 12 people were killed, including two of its Iraqi employees. Baghdad ICRC spokeswoman Nada Doumani said she believed the employees were security guards.

Then, through the morning, four other vehicles exploded at police stations in the Baghdad area. Ambulances, sirens wailing, crisscrossed the city all morning.

“From what our indications are, none of those bombers got close to the target,” Hertling said. But the explosions outside police stations left streetscapes of broken, bloody bodies and twisted, burning automobiles. Iraqi police reported some 27 people killed in those attacks, including 15 Iraqis at the ad-Doura station in southern Baghdad.

One U.S. soldier was among them, and other Americans were wounded, said Lt. Sarmad al-Hakim, an ad-Doura officer. The U.S. command did not immediately confirm those American casualties. Teams of U.S. military police have been stationed at Baghdad police stations in recent months.

At a fifth police station in central Baghdad, officers stopped a suicide bomber before he could detonate his Land Cruiser. “He was shouting, `Death to the Iraqi police! You’re collaborators!'” said police Sgt. Ahmed Abdel Sattar.

Hertling said about 10 Iraqis were killed and 10 others wounded at the Red Cross bombing. Dr. Allawi Attiyah of the Ibn al-Nafeez hospital also put the toll at 10 dead, and said 12 were injured. Nada Doumani, Baghdad spokeswoman for ICRC, said she believed one or two of the Red Cross’s Iraqi guards were killed.

Hertling said he believed the attacks may have been timed with the start of Ramadan in order to heighten tensions during the fasting month, when Muslims abstain from food and drink during daylight hours and religious feelings run high.

Near the three-story ICRC building, cigarette vendor Ghani Khadim, 50, said he saw an Iraqi ambulance pass by his stand and approach the small compound some 100 yards away. It suddenly exploded, he said, and the blast blew out windows and injured his wife and daughter in his house behind his stand.

The vehicle had stopped some 60 feet in front of the Red Cross headquarters, “at a line of barrels we have had in front to protect the building,” one Red Cross employee, who would not give his name.

The blast blew down a 40-foot section of the ICRC front wall, demolished a dozen cars in the area and apparently broke a water main, flooding the streets. The inside of the building was heavily damaged, littered with shattered glass, doors blown off their hinges, toppled bookcases and collapsed ceilings. A gaping crack had opened in a back wall, some 100 yards from the blast site, where a crater some five yards across quickly filled with water.

The Red Cross staff member said someone began firing off an automatic weapon immediately after the explosion — “100 bullets or more.” He said he believed it was a gunmen somehow associated with the bomber “who wanted to scare people more.”

Spokeswoman Doumani said more than 100 workers would normally be at ICRC after 9 a.m., but staffers said only about one-quarter that number were present at 8:30 a.m.

“Of course we don’t understand why somebody would attack the Red Cross,” she said. “The Red Cross has operated in this country since 1980, and we have not been involved in politics.” Asked whether the organization would remain in Iraq, she replied: “I don’t even know what we’re going to do.”

Two buildings away, the explosion devastated the interior of the Al-Nawal private polyclinic operated by Dr. Jamal F. Massa, 53, who had been planning to open it as a full-fledged hospital next month.

“We feel helpless when we see this,” he said. He said he couldn’t understand why the Red Cross would be attacked, since it had even reduced its foreign staff recently. “This only hurts guards and other Iraqis.”

The Red Cross and other international aid organizations had reduced their Baghdad staffs after the car bombing of U.N. headquarters in Baghdad on Aug. 19, in which 23 people died in what appeared to be a warning against international support for the U.S. occupation.

The U.S. general Hertling said Monday was “a great day for the Iraqi police” because security controls prevented the bombers from reaching their targets.

But Mouwafak al-Rabii, a Shiite Muslim member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, said the United States must speed up the training of Iraqi police and soldiers and employ ruthless measures to crush the insurgency.

“There is no doubt about it that we need to change the rules of engagement with these people,” al-Rabii told CNN. “The rules of engagement now are too lenient.”

The rocket attack Sunday struck the Al-Rasheed Hotel, where Wolfowitz was staying at the end of a three-day Iraq visit. The deputy defense secretary said afterward that attack “will not deter us from completing our mission” in Iraq.

But the bold blow at the heart of the U.S. presence here clearly rattled U.S. confidence that it is defeating Iraq’s shadowy insurgents.

“We’ll have to get the security situation under control,” Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) told NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

The concrete western face of the 18-story hotel, located more than two miles west of the international Red Cross building, was pockmarked with a half-dozen or more blast holes. Windows shattered in at least two dozen rooms. The U.S. command said the wounded included seven American civilians, four U.S. military personnel and five non-U.S. civilians working for the coalition.

Two Iraqi security guards also were hurt. The command did not immediately identify the dead American, but Wolfowitz said he was a U.S. colonel

First day of ramadhan and like that…gosh what else is yet to come? :frowning:

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon.

i don't know what to say. Even my usual US-should-get-out-of-Iraq mantra doesn't sound good, on top of all of these deaths of innocent civilians. Kia ho gia hai uss country ko... kahan tha, aur kahan pahaunch gia. But it's like - their deaths don't register. What their people have gone through, the genocide through sanctions, the widows borne out of the multiple wars, the 5 year old orphans who sell cigarettes to drivers in the downtown streets, - nothing matters. Kia ho gia hai ham sub ko. What more must this country go through before we all open our eyes and realize the country is bleeding.

Nadia Behen asak - Ramadan mubarak to you and your family.
Dont despair, have tawakkul on Allah(swt). Make a lot of duaas this ramzaan for our muslim brothers and sisters who are suffering. Thats all I can say

WaSalaam

Right now your U.S.-should-get-out-Iraq mantra doesn't sound so bad to many Americans and as time goes by I'm sure more and more people will support that.

Walaikum Assalaam. Ramadan Mubarak to you and your family also :flower1:

Brother ZMan, i did that last night, before my sehri… ussi pai tau bahaut afsos a raha hai. i prayed for all of us, around the world… i went to sleep feeling at peace. And i wake up this morning, and this is the first news i am hit with on BBC. And this is not the worst yet to happen… it will repeat itself because this is a (justified) war of resistance.

It’s a sad Ramadan when so much blood is being shed. But Allah doesn’t change a people’s condition until they change it themselves. Muslims should unite around their sisters and brothers in Iraq, … but that day, i fear, will never arrive.

Resistance to the Red Cross??

yeah the choice of targets seems a bit strange to be deemed as resistance. UN earlier, red cross now..

I do hope that Iraq can stand on its feet sooner rather than later, and people able to live in peace and prosperity, and not either become a psedo-colony or fall in the hands of another brutal regime that does not have the people's interests as a priority.

No, UTD. We have to realize though that the Red Cross and yes even the UN, are seen as symbols of affiliation with the US government. Rightly or wrongly, that is how those institutions are now perceived. And i myself see how someone could view them in that point of view - did not both the Red Cross and the UN stay quiet throughout the genocidal embargo, they stayed quiet even when Iraq itself was invaded. To Americans it may seem as though the UN did everything it could to distance itself from the invasion and the key players, but to many others, perhaps especially to Muslims - i FEEL it seems as though the UN has just become a lackey of the US, a sentiment you will have found echoed many times on gupshup. So everything that was perceived as a part of that silence, the silence even when Iraq went through wars and sanctions, is now considered a ‘legitimate’ target. This may disgust you, for which i am truly sorry. :flower1:

And, perhaps, there is another aspect to it. By placing pressure on these institutions such as the Red Cross (and, earlier, the UN), maybe whoever is responsible for these attacks is trying to create a rift between the Red Cross and the US. After the bombing at the UN hq, some UN officials had come out with comments that the bombings occurred at a time of immense disappointment and feelings of being ‘let-down’ amongst Iraqis. Whatever the motive may be, aid organizations will HAVE to distance themselves from the US if only for their own survival in the country.

Any entity that did not speak up against the invasion, did not condemn it wholeheartedly in action - can be considered a legitimate target, however disgusting such a thought may be. Silence is complicity.

It's better to be a slave under a Muslim than freed by an infidel?

The Saddam regime ruled for decades and the Muslim voice did not support him but it surly did not voice much resentment towards him. Those killing Americans and Iraqis without regard are not fighting for Iraq they are fighting against America, please see the difference.

A lot of sadness at this display of frustration and misguided action.

Acts of terror like these are despicable, Iraqi civilians targeted by extremist Iraqi elements.

The ultimate security for all life in Iraq lies with the occupying forces; it is for them to ponder on the choice of target and for them to decide the best course of action.

When will the root cause for this violence be addressed, hopefully sooner rather than later.

This action is the direct result of injustice, which has gone on for too long. Criminal organizations, such has the UN, involved in embezzling billions of dollars from the food for oil program, and directly responsible for the deaths of millions of Iraqis during the sanctions era, were legitimate targets to many Iraqis.

Too bad that these acts claim innocent lives. What’s more brutal than mowing down thousands of civilians, and occupying another country with disregard to all the international rules and conventions. It’s come to a point of no return, where none of the parties afford to back down.

The logic behind attacking the Red Cross was not their tangential affiliation with America or their “blind-eye” to genocide. However, it is that sentiment that gives popular support to the attackers, even if not a blood-thirsty kind of support, it is not a condemnation by the Iraqi people.

The services the Red Cross provide maintain the Iraqi morale. If they cut back no one else can fill their shoes–groups may try, even the miltary might, but no one else is capable of putting forth the resources and manpower as they do. If Iraqis do not have the third-party assurances of food, health and safety they will surely not tolerate the primary cause of that condition. You may ask why then do the Iraqis not fight the terrorists? Because they are not the primary source, that would be America (remember, we’re talking about what they think, not you or Fox). So, quite simply, without the Red Cross or other third-parties, the Americans will be burdened beyond a managable level and on top of that will face an uncooperative populace. The only choice would be to reduce the military imprint. That’s the slippery slope.. once you reduce your size you’ll also reduce your abilities, that leads to the need to reduce further.. until you pull out altogether.

The point behind these attacks is not to prove their barbarity or just hurt the US.. it is to force the US out, to give them no other option.

Another thing: These people do not want to “bring Saddam back” as you always hear on the news.. they want to be Saddam.

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yeah the choice of targets seems a bit strange to be deemed as resistance. UN earlier, red cross now..

I do hope that Iraq can stand on its feet sooner rather than later, and people able to live in peace and prosperity, and not either become a psedo-colony or fall in the hands of another brutal regime that does not have the people's interests as a priority.

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They don't like these PEACE keepers there, they want to eat whole alone, they don't like to share, they don't like to be observe, Isn't simple to comprehend?
What they get in return are sympathies for themselves and hatred for poor Iraqi, which they need enthusiastically these days as they are begging world for 87m!
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Spoon, Do you mind if i ask - what do you mean by the statement “they want to be Saddam”?

i thought this reply, on the BBC’s feedback page, kind of summarizes the point i was trying to make earlier (above): “The resistance attacks and suicide bombings send an unambiguous message that Iraq will never be governed by the US, or any quisling government. The UN, by co-operating with America in the aftermath of illegal war, has made itself and agencies a target for reprisal. The ICRC has blundered by not insisting on POW status for the multitude of “detainees” in Iraq and elsewhere, especially Guantanamo Bay, and has lost its neutral status in the eyes of many. These attacks on humanitarian organisations is the end product of decades of selective application of international law and failure to enforce the Geneva Conventions.” (Source)

Fresh suicide attack in Iraq, BBC, 28 October 2003

The people attacking the Red Cross don't give a damn about the Iraqi people.

"These attacks on humanitarian organisations is the end product of decades of selective application of international law and failure to enforce the Geneva Conventions."

That is utter Bullshti. These aren't kids throwing rocks at tanks this is an ongoing organized terror operation. Those who are anti-American and anti-western have infiltrated Iraq and are more concerned with attacking Americans than rebuilding Iraq.

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For some people, that is also how they see US/British presence in Iraq.

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Whether or not they are "anti-American" or "anti-western" - how did you arrive at that conclusion ? Do we even have any tangible proof of the identities of these individuals?

They may not necessarily have been radicals before, but they've become radicalized by what they see as an occupation of their land. All you have to do is scour BBC for reports on Iraqi families who lost their family members due to US actions/accidents, and you can see how easy it is for individuals to bear inside unbelievable amounts of bitterness and revenge. They may not necessarily be "anti-American", anti-British, or even "anti-western", just anti-invasion.

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I live in a place with a view of the deNile; you seem to be drowning in it.

Nadia I'm really surprised to see you post what appear to be justifications for the slaughter of innocents and aid workers. Trying to figure out people's motivations are one thing, making apologies or excuses for them is quite another. What do you think might be a just action to celebrate the upcoming Lailat Ul Qadr? Blowing up the Doctors without Borders headquarters? These crimes are heinous and 100% against any positive future for Iraq. If these barbarians cared anything about the people of Iraq they would try to work within a framework to bring about positive change. Chaos, instability, murder, mayhem and terror will not achieve it. Do you really believe that their goals are for a free, peaceful and representative Iraq?

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Why weren't they radicalized by the oppressive, murdering, terrorizing regime of Hussein? However many Iraqis were lost due to American military actions represent a VERY small percentage of those lost under the "Muslim" ruler they accepted for decades. My guess is because these terrorists are either the "favored people" (Sunni) of Hussein who have lost their status and power or foreign mercenaries hell-bent on spreading their terror.

Denial of what Thap?

25 million anti-american infiltrators?!

Get some more barbed wire.