Re: A would be suicide bomber...
^yea that would explain the national and international consensus for killing the entire family of bombers.
Re: A would be suicide bomber...
Educations plays a part in everything.
Two questions to U,
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Are U talking about the suicide bomber who kill muslims or U intend to punish the sucide bomber in same way who explode himself up killing jews and christians and Hindus.
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Pl dont take it otherwise, but if god forbid ur brother, or any of ur family member happens to be one suicide bomber himself, than will U prescribe same treatment to ur family?
Peace.
No they haven't, but the point is deterrent against homicidal barbarians. You can't kill a suicide bomber, but you sure can kill his family. Families of these bombers get money from terrorists for their kids blowing up other peoples kids. Beside, collective punishment is legal under frontier crime laws. This would just be taking one step forward.
BTW, likes of you are quick to condemn this as brutality, but I have yet to see you condemning Taliban savagery. If we're going to defeat terrorists we have to act like terrorists too. All arrested terrorist must be beheaded on camera...just like what Taliban do to their captives.
I am sorry you and the person who suggested these kind of acts of killing human being no different than savage terrorists. You have pathetic arguments and not even aware of it.
I must point out to and request Mods and director of GS to include these kind of barbaric and inhumane teachings including promoting any political assassinations as against rules of GS.
*Under no religious teachings or laws of lands relatives of a criminal are to be punished for being relatives of a criminal.
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I’m entitled to my opinion and you’re free not to read what I write.
BTW, since you’re unaware of what the rules are don’t argue. Under FCR not just family members, but entire tribe can be punished.
Frontier Crimes Regulations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Two questions to U,
Are U talking about the suicide bomber who kill muslims or U intend to punish the sucide bomber in same way who explode himself up killing jews and christians and Hindus.
Pl dont take it otherwise, but if god forbid ur brother, or any of ur family member happens to be one suicide bomber himself, than will U prescribe same treatment to ur family?
Peace.
Lets not digress the thread. If you want to bring in India try WA forum.
Re: A would be suicide bomber...
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I will agree with diwana here
shami2k, that was a very insensitive remark, no human being with any sense of justice will agree to it and we won't welcome such remarks
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Re: A would be suicide bomber...
^^^ are you saying that its insensitive to hurt taliban feelings, but its ok for taliban to decapitate soldiers and police in the most brutal way possible? This is not my idea, neither am I the one to suggest it. Colletive punishment is part of tribal culture & its the law. Please ref to link posted on front page.
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^No, what i am saying is that its insensitive to justify killing of innocent and filming it. And we are not tribals. Tribal laws by themselves are one reason of the mess we are in, these laws shud be abolished and tribal areas be brought under NWFP government, same laws need to be applied all over the country.
^^^ are you saying that its insensitive to hurt taliban feelings, but its ok for taliban to decapitate soldiers and police in the most brutal way possible? This is not my idea, neither am I the one to suggest it. Colletive punishment is part of tribal culture & its the law. Please ref to link posted on front page.
I know you have been given an answer.
Let me add:
1- This tribal law is not islamic/religious and is not made to ensure protection of people of tribal areas in general. Read the first paragraph of the link.
2- Even the tribal law you are drumming does not say 'killing' of people who did not commit crime.
3- Moreover, it gives room for explanation for tribesmen where a crime or murder might have committed, which unfortunately you don't allow.
*Please read the law and the link before even trying to use it to propose a barbaric, inhumane and illegal treatment of innocents.
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Lets not digress the thread. If you want to bring in India try WA forum.
Cant we leave behind this India Pakistan bias while talking about such sensitive issues which involves innocent lives? Pl answer my questions if U can, otherwise simply say U wont.
Re: A would be suicide bomber...
I know you have been given an answer.
Let me add:
1- This tribal law is not islamic/religious and is not made to ensure protection of people of tribal areas in general. Read the first paragraph of the link.
2- Even the tribal law you are drumming does not say 'killing' of people who did not commit crime.
3- Moreover, it gives room for explanation for tribesmen where a crime or murder might have committed, which unfortunately you don't allow.
*Please read the law and the link before even trying to use it to propose a barbaric, inhumane and illegal treatment of innocents. *
I don't think you get the point. Terrorists are using all kind of techniques to terrorize people. They have no problem beheading people, blowing up market places and killing innocent people all in the name Islam.
Point 1) To defeat terrorists you have to think like terrorist. Forget all get all moral pacifist blah blah BS and be ruthless. Example Sri Lanka. They won against one of the most brutal terrorist organization in the world.
Point 2) Family that gets monetary benefits b/c their son blew up others...is an accessory to murder. Therefore, by law should face murder charges.
Point 3) 3 million people are homeless b/c of these bloody killers.
Point 4) There are daily suicide attacks in all parts of country.
Point 5) How exactly do you stop suicidal terrorists? If a terrorist knows that if kills innocent people his family would pay price for his crime...its likely that he would think twice before going on suicide mission.
^No, what i am saying is that its insensitive to justify killing of innocent and filming it. And we are not tribals. Tribal laws by themselves are one reason of the mess we are in, these laws shud be abolished and tribal areas be brought under NWFP government, same laws need to be applied all over the country.
It not insensitive when families of suicide bombers are getting money from terrorists. For that they should be arrested and charge with murder.
BTW, it can't be anymore insensitive than terrorists slaughtering soldiers, policemen on camera...or is it?
Re: A would be suicide bomber…
Extremists buying children to use as bombers: Malik
Extremists buying children to use as bombers: Malik
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Says operation to continue till elimination of Taliban; gives away awards to police officials
By Shakeel Anjum
ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik has said the government is determined to continue the war against terrorism till the Taliban are flushed out of the country. **He said that the terrorists were using children for their barbarous terrorist activities, adding a suicide bomber was paid Rs500,000 to Rs2.5 million from terrorist outfits.
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He was speaking at an award distribution ceremony for martyred and other police officials at the National Library Auditorium here on Monday. The minister said the government has decided to increase the police strength, and 20,000 more personnel would be recruited in the Capital Police to overcome the shortage of the force.
He said the Chinese government would provide security equipment to the tune of $280 million to Pakistan for capacity building of the law-enforcement agencies. He said the Chinese government has made this commitment during his recent visit to China. He said gadgets would include vehicular scanners, mobile scanners and other items required for security purposes. He said different donors have pledged to give an amount of $65 million for capacity building and improvement in the police department. He said weapons and ammunition were being supplied to terrorists from Afghanistan and the government of Pakistan had taken up this matter with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. He appreciated the performance of the police department, especially, the Capital Police, for curbing the incidents of terrorism and for nabbing the potential terrorists.
He paid tribute to ‘Shuhada’ of suicide attack on Rescue 15 in Islamabad and said he would request the prime minister to bestow Quaid-i-Azam Police Award upon them. He announced plots in Islamabad for the families of police officials who embraced ‘Shahadat’ during the last 10 years and payment of full salary to their families up to the age of 60. He said duty hours of the Capital Police will be reduced and they would be given uniform allowance, vehicles for pick and drop and APCs.Earlier, the minister distributed medals, certificates, and cash prizes among police officers and officials for their outstanding performance.
Police officers and officials received prizes included: SP Nasar Aftab, SP Sajjid Kiyani, SP Saqib Sultan, ASPs Muntazir Mehdi, Liaquat Ali Malik, Farukkah Rashid, DSPs Liaquat Hayat Niazi, Ehasanullah (CID), Bashir Ahmed Noon (CIA), Inspectors, Ashraf Shah, Abdul Razzaq, Arshad Ali, Muhammad Auqab, Muhammad Baqir, Tahir Hussain, SIs Munir Jaffery, Muhammad Sharif, Shahid Mehmud, Muhammad Yasin, ASIs Nadeem Mughal, Ansar Mehmud, Muhammad Rashid, HCs Raza Ahmed, M. Arif, Fida Hussain, Wajid Ali Shah, Atif, Constables Mehtab Hussain and Noor Ahmed.
The minister also distributed shields among Islamabad Chief Commissioner Fazeel Asghar, DIG (operations) Bin Yameen and SSP (traffic) Dr Sultan Azam Temuri. Speaking on the occasion, Islamabad IG Syed Kaleem Imam said the Capital Police were committed to protecting the life and property of the citizens. He said despite deficiency of staff and resources, including transport and accommodation, the Capital Police were showing best performance. He, however, called for more facilities for the police department, including provision of modern equipment, to enable them cope with terrorism. He expressed his thanks to the prime minister and the interior minister for giving raise in salaries of police officials and provision of other facilities.
Agencies add: Rehman Malik said terrorists were targeting innocent people and they have no link with Islam. Every citizen having Pakistani passport were being considered as terrorists in the world. The terrorists have tarnished the image of Islam and Pakistan, he added.
Anti-state elements were buying children and making them suicide bombers, he said and added the terrorists were using civilian as human shield. “We had two options either to surrender before the terrorists or fight with them and now terrorists were bound to run from Swat, Dir and Buner,” he said. He warned the terrorists to lay down their arms otherwise they would be killed.
I don't think you get the point. Terrorists are using all kind of techniques to terrorize people. They have no problem beheading people, blowing up market places and killing innocent people all in the name Islam.
Point 1) T*o defeat terrorists you have to think like terrorist. Forget all get all moral pacifist blah blah BS and be ruthless.* Example Sri Lanka. They won against one of the most brutal terrorist organization in the world.
Point 2) Family that gets monetary benefits b/c their son blew up others...is an accessory to murder. Therefore, by law should face murder charges.
Point 3) 3 million people are homeless b/c of these bloody killers.
Point 4) There are daily suicide attacks in all parts of country.
Point 5) How exactly do you stop suicidal terrorists? If a terrorist knows that if **kills innocent people his family **would pay price for his crime...its likely that he would think twice before going on suicide mission.
I don't think you are getting the point.
Your comments were way out of bound and can never justify killing innocents.
Make up your mind.
One, you say families allegedly are getting paid and are accomplice.
Two, you say they are innocents and still justifying their killings.
This second part should not be allowed under any circumstances.
Find the bad guys and deal with them accordingly.
Inability to secure civilians should not justify random innocents killing sprees. In this way, innocents die from both ends.
Your comments were way out of bound...
I stand by what I said & if you or the other Taliban supporters don't like it, well thats just too bad. We're at war-a war that we must win and in wars people die.
I stand by what I said & if you or the other Taliban supporters don't like it, well thats just too bad. We're at war-a war that we must win and in wars people die.
Shame on you and anyone who thinks like that.
Neither Islam or any World Law can justify killing of innocent/not proven guilty people killing.
Blood of innocent people is never cheap. You are acting like a butcher.
You have very pathetic argument again and you have a butcher mentality.
*Supporting innocents and not proven guilty people does not equate to supporting criminals. Learn English.
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