Gandalf
I would like to believe that I am pretty well versed in Qur'aan and A'Hadeeth!!
Maybe, you would like to debate with me on this issue, if Hasnain isn't up to your intellectual standards.
'Balls in your court'.
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**"And the first to embrace Islaam from the Muhajiroon (those who migrated from Makkah to al-Madeenah) and the Ansaar (those who lived in al-Madeenah and aided them after migration) and those who follow them in goodness. Allaah is well-pleased with them, as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. This is the supreme achievement. [Surah at-Taubah 9:100]
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May Allah curse those who curse the riteous people mentioned in this verse. Ameen.
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Originally posted by Alpha1:
** May Allah curse those who curse the riteous people mentioned in this verse. Ameen.**
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would you kindly refer me to the chapter and verse where the specific names of these 'riteous people' have been mentioned?
Many Thanks.
If this is about doubting hadith, then let me say one final time:
doubting a hadith doesn't mean you've disrespected a sahaba. It just means you're being smart, and intellectual, and making sure what you're reading is really what came out of that said sahaba's or the prophet's mouth, and that there was no mistake in the understanding taking place between the narrarator and the Prophet.
Sheesh, it not like we've got guppies here who are cursing out Khadija and Aisha bibi!
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Originally posted by PyariCgudia:
Sheesh, it not like we've got guppies here who are cursing out Khadija and Aisha bibi!
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not in here, but you'd be surprised at what goes on in these inter-sect feuds. Some sects can get down an dirty.
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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
** would you kindly refer me to the chapter and verse where the specific names of these 'riteous people' have been mentioned?
Many Thanks.**
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I thought that you understood every iota of the Qur'an without the need of any explanation. If the Qur'an is so clear to you, why do you want me to explain who the people in the above verse are? Why dont you tell us all who these people are?
[This message has been edited by Alpha1 (edited July 29, 2002).]
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Originally posted by Alpha1:
** I thought that you understood every iota of the Qur'an without the need of any explanation. If the Qur'an is so clear to you, why do you want me to explain who the people in the above verse are? Why dont you tell us all who these people are?**
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Calm down mr. Alpha1, I sense some pent up frustrations in there..
I'm not the one who invited the curse of Allah on people who cursed the 'riteous people mentioned in the verse'. Surely you must posses some extra Qur'anic knowledge of determining who these individuals mentioned in the verse are so that you can identify if and when someone is cursing them.
I just wished to learn from you had I missed anything in the Qur'an about these people.. so back to my question.. where in the Qur'an are the names of these people mentioned?? and if they are not.. why do you think it's even important to find out who they were?
I mean had Allah willed (and if it was of any significance to our belief) He could have told us their names.. nothing was stopping Him.. it's a huge book.. plenty of chapters and verses.. He could have spared a few lines and told us.. these are the people and you need to follow them cuz they are rightly guided etc etc..
I invoked the curse of Allah on all those who curse those whom Allah mentioned in the ayah. It is as simple as that. If you do not curse them you have nothing to fear.
As far as their identities are concerned, they are known to us according to what Allah's messenger has told us - but since you reject the teaching of the Nabi, then its your own fault that you have chosen to follow a way that is bankrupt.
There is no frustration on my parts towards your aqeedah and manhaj. Each to his/her own. You have your way, and I have mine. In the end Allah will judge all mankind.
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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
** I mean had Allah willed (and if it was of any significance to our belief) He could have told us their names.. nothing was stopping Him.. it's a huge book.. plenty of chapters and verses.. He could have spared a few lines and told us.. these are the people and you need to follow them cuz they are rightly guided etc etc..**
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I say to you read the verse again:
"And the first to embrace Islaam from the Muhajiroon (those who migrated from Makkah to al-Madeenah) and the Ansaar (those who lived in al-Madeenah and aided them after migration) and those who follow them in goodness. Allaah is well-pleased with them, as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. This is the supreme achievement. [Surah at-Taubah 9:100]
The part that says "and those who follow them in goodness" - so Allah is recommending to all the muslims that we follow these people in their methods and their beliefs.
So you are one to know the will of Allah as well?? Not only can you now understand the speech of Allah, but can now also pre-empt it also?
How more explicit do you want this verse to be? Who were those who embarked upon the hijrah with the Prophet (saw)? Who were the ahlul-ansar?
Again your deviations have led you to not only deny the Rasool, but to also make a mockery of the kitab of Allah.
[This message has been edited by Alpha1 (edited July 31, 2002).]
aah, another hadith monger, HAHAHAHA
And another A'Hadeeth rejector!!!!
Or should I say 'Submitter' or
'Numerologist'.
Don't make any difference I suppose. Each to there own.
A Rejector is a Rejector, despite the cover!!!