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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
. Allah Ta' ala will not choose for his beloved Rasool except the best of men, and the best of companions. This was the relationship between Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and the three Khulafaa ur Raahideen.
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Ok based on the light of this argument.... keeping all your beliefs aside adn think logically for a moment.... If Allah (SWT) will choose the best of companions and the best of men... they why do you sunnis claim that nauzubilllah Hazrat Abu Taalib was a kafir... Will Allah (SWT) nauzubillah a choose a kafir to raise the prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and even though he will give him the best of companions...
why dawat - zul- asheera was held at the house of Hazrat Abu Talib ... Allah will choose the best of men and best of companions... but dawat -e- zul asheeera was nazubillah held at an house of who sunni thinks are kafir?... Does it make any sense.. i mean there are other places and in Mecca including Kaaba... Why was it not held there... how can sunni claim Hazrat Abu Talib was nauzubillah kafir.....
and back to the claim being the father in law or wife of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. puts you at a very high position...
why wasn't the wife of Prophet Loothe disobeyed him and got caught up with the Ahzaab ....
I was reading quran and i ran into these ayats... and this question came in my mind may be you can answer it if you are a scholar .......
Ayesha being the best dis obeyed Quran and come to the battle against Hazrat Ali.. which kinda suprsied me when i read these ayats of quran..
..[Pickthal 33:32] O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.
[Pickthal 33:33] And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a .....
keeping your beliefs aside for a moment and think about the points i pointed out in this post adn the one earlier see if you can answer to these facts...
For Jahils like you I have no answer since Islam forbids me to get into a discussion with you and just say salam. All you know is dirty poetry.
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lol relax man...the shair had a point....Imam Ali (as) didnt just wait for couple of hours...He (as) waited for 2 full days but these so called sahabas did not show up for Prophets (pbuh) funeral...this is a selfish world my friend...after all these sahabas were kaafir before becoming muslims...so basically it gives them no right to innovate things in Islam
Islamabad bhai its good that you have love for your religion..and you respect these religious figures..but its also not a bad idea to take a look at both sides..if you dont wanna talk about it its fine but you cant really deny the facts
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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
No matter what you discuss you have no right to speak against the Sahabas
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And all i did was qouted ayats from quran and hadith's of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and asked a question, So are you implying Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. is speaking against the sahabas too.... and if it is true then why dont we have the right to quote their hadith's.....
On one side you use the argument that God gave Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. the best of the best companions... and on other hand sunni's say Hazrat Abu Talib the uncle who rasied the Prophet was nauzubillah kafir... Hazrat Abu Talib... at whose house the first meeting of islam dawaat -e- zul asheera was held.... So the way you put it God gave prophet the best of the best.. then how could his uncle who raised him can nauzubillah be a kafir... not only that he has the honour that the first meeting of islam was held at his house.... even though Qabah was in Mecca too why not there... why would Allah use a kaafir house to raise Prophet Mohammad and introduce islam there ....
Don't you seee how biased your beliefs are ... on the other hand some sahabas... who disobeyed Prophet and left him for greed of wealth (maal-e-ganeemat) at the battle of uhad... who placed their own lives important then his and ran in moutains ... are the best of the best... is that how you sunnis protray true islam... and based on tat if following sahabas is not a bidat then ... then we can nauzubillah disobey Prophet.
On one side when i quoted the hadith by Abu Bakr admitting at times he is overwhelmed with devil.... and you said he is like us...meaning he is not a masoom... so how can we follow them and its not being bidat......
All i asked was in the light of the hadith's, quran and facts about history, is alright to follow them... based on the deeds they perform and if they dont reflect true islam and the best you had to say is issue a fatwah that i have no right to say against sahabas.... even though i quouted hadith's of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. and ayat of Quran... Did i say anything that was wrong.... keep all your beliefs aside for a minute and before issuing those fatwas... i donno what a big scholar you are ... can you answer my questions thinking about it logically .... so i can get a correct idea of your belief on if following sahabas is a bidat or not and if so... can we disobey Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H based on their deeds or give our life more importance then his and if we did... are we still true muslims????
Is that the true islam or true islam is the one that family of Prophet Protrayed.... they never ran from battle fields... Look at Imam Ali, he who was there at the battle of uhud, battle of khyber, and also in the battle of khandaq.. and also was there after the death of Prophet to perform his funeral services unlike some other sahabas to whom the issue of khilafat was more important... look at Imam Hussain he sacrificed his family in the way of Allah to protect islam so that yazeed don't introduce any innovations.......
I would really appreciate an answer so i can get a correct idea if i think its wrong....
I think some of you have diverted the discussion to another shia-sunni debate. The issue is not whether you follow the companions or the imams. You can follow who ever you want.
The question is, do the term "biddat" only used for acts which are deemed to be religious in nature or do they apply to anything in your real life?
There are some aspects of sunnah, which were specific to that time period and that culture. Like riding the camels. Or wearing the abaya. Now, if someone rides camel and wears an abaya hoping to get more good deeds in his account since he is following a sunnah, more power to him, and Insha Allah he will get those rewards. But if someone drives a car and wears Shalwar-suit, it doesn't mean, atleast to me, that there is any "biddat" in it. These are what someone called "social activities" and I think one should be very careful in labeling social activities as "biddat".
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I think some of you have diverted the discussion to another shia-sunni debate. The issue is not whether you follow the companions or the imams. You can follow who ever you want.
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Faisal bahi I am not doing a shia/sunni debate here... Isnt that you who said that following acts of companions is not a biddat.... And since its one the things mentioned in this post... i wanted to clarify to get a better view on this..... since i couldnt buy that definition based on points i pointed out earlier... since its your belief and you claimed it may be you can explain it better.... I just want to learn where does this definition comes from and if its alright to follow sahabas.. that based on their deeds can we disobey Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. (since they did as mentioned earlier).....
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I just want to learn where does this definition comes from and if its alright to follow sahabas....
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I believe its (Deobandi) scholars' conclusion/fatwa/decree