bhai mere, it wasn't guppies or "supporters" of Taliban who paid Mehsud a couple of million dollars, it wasn't guppies or supporters of Taliban who kept feeding Ghazi brothers until they kidnapped some Chinese people, its only then he probably got a call from China at 2:00AM that he took some action (even that was worst planned and executed).
It is was the supporters of jihadis (some of them in PML-Q, but most of the anti-Mush gang) who were pushing so hard for these negotiations, and they admitted themselves this much. The people who were pushing for harder stance were called western puppets, dogs of Busharraf etc. This is all documented even in todaa's newspapers.
And prove that statement in bold, because you absolutely know nothing about Wazristan situation or military ops.
And prove that statement in bold, because you absolutely know nothing about Wazristan situation or military ops.
What does Lal masjid operation has to do with Waziristan operation?
Lal Masjid was worst because first govt let them do whatever they want, then they held negotiations which were "yes we agree, no we don't, lets start all over, no you have to agree to our terms". This is not how it works, anyway I don't want the thread to derail in lal masjid operation details.
What does Lal masjid operation has to do with Waziristan operation?
Lal Masjid was worst because first govt let them do whatever they want, then they held negotiations which were "yes we agree, no we don't, lets start all over, no you have to agree to our terms". This is not how it works, anyway I don't want the thread to derail in lal masjid operation details.
Are you seriously asking me how Waziristan and lal masjid sitaution is linked? Think on this a little more.
Govnt wanted to negotiate otherwise people like you would have said the same thing that no chance for peace was given, and innocent students are being harassed, peaceful madrassah is being attacked etc. Govnt had to have a very good reason before it could use force in this situation. Tell me how things should have been done differently? Do you think 1 or 2 harsh speeches by Ghazi and than the police could have gone in and everything would be ok and peaceful?
Re: A Q Khan: ‘Pakistan Government knew/part of nuclear proliferation’
hahah so now Mush had to personally go and ask AQ Khan not to spill the beans, because there is a BIG guilty sign written on Musharraf’s face and he knows what will happen to him once the truth comes out from AQ Khan
Re: A Q Khan: 'Pakistan Government knew/part of nuclear proliferation'
^ the only secrets left to spill out are Musharraf's role in the proliferation, and maybe we'll find out how much percentage of the kickback went to Nine-Zero, so more details would be really good.
^ the only secrets left to spill out are Musharraf's role in the proliferation, and maybe we'll find out how much percentage of the kickback went to Nine-Zero, so more details would be really good.
Ok buddy, whatever you say. You obviously have no clue about our nuke program and who really created it and how. Know who Munir Ahmed Khan was?
Re: A Q Khan: 'Pakistan Government knew/part of nuclear proliferation'
I am not interested in the nuke progarm, I am only interested in spilling out the beans as to who let the program loose to jihadi monsters which Altaf bhai talks about. If AQ Khan is to be arrested without a trial and defamed, I think its about time the illegal presidents role come out into the open too, for he was the man behind the proliferation. This is why he had to rush to AQ Khan and urge him to keep quiet.
I am not interested in the nuke progarm, I am only interested in spilling out the beans as to who let the program loose to jihadi monsters which Altaf bhai talks about. If AQ Khan is to be arrested without a trial and defamed, I think its about time the illegal presidents role come out into the open too, for he was the man behind the proliferation. This is why he had to rush to AQ Khan and urge him to keep quiet.
Do you really think you can investigate AQ Khan and his dealings and not touch the other parts of the network and program? Mush was the one who put AQ Khan under house arrest, while he was allowed to do whatever he wanted under the entire punjab-based army leadership before. It's funny how PML-N type pro-jihadi parties are the ones who want to free AQ Khan the most.
Re: A Q Khan: 'Pakistan Government knew/part of nuclear proliferation'
Mush put him under house arrest because he needed a scapegoat to save his own charmi. So tell me, why are you so afraid of an open inquiry, and please dont give me that BS about you being concerned about Pakistan. If anything comes out of it, we will find out who proliferated and armed your beloved jihadiz.
Re: A Q Khan: 'Pakistan Government knew/part of nuclear proliferation'
If anything will come out, it will be about the PAEC smuggling ring that gave Pakistan the bomb. I'm all for an open investigation into this, with inspectors checking out all nuke facilities like they did in Iraq. They should get full access and than we will see who will squirm and back peddle.
Re: A Q Khan: ‘Pakistan Government knew/part of nuclear proliferation’
The whole freaking military establishment is involved in this and we have known this from day one. Musharraf is probably the most squeaky clean in this story. If for personal reasons he wants, he can hugely embarrass some of these ex-generals and officials.
However, Khan has disputed Musharraf’s allegations in private debriefings with Pakistani government investigators. Apparently Khan has made the case that he was pressured to sell nuclear technologies to Iran by two individuals close to former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. The first, Dr. Niazi, was a friend, while the latter, General Imtiaz Ali, served as military advisor to Bhutto.[26] Both individuals are now deceased. Khan has further alleged that a**id for Iran’s uranium enrichment program was also approved by then Chief of Army Staff, General (retd.) Mirza Aslam Beg **(1988-1991). Similarly, **Khan claims the nuclear-for-missile deal with the Kim Jong Il regime was backed by two former army chiefs, Generals (retd.) Abdul Waheed Kakar (1993-1996) and Jehangir Karamat **(1996-1998). The latter, according to Khan, made a secret trip to North Korea in December 1997 and presided over efforts to obtain Nodong ballistic missiles from that country. Khan’s friends have also privately suggested that General Pervez Musharraf, who succeeded Karamat and took over responsibility for the Ghauri missile program in 1998, had to have known about the transfers to North Korea.[27]
Stop reassuring yourself, everyone knows it was after the tests that the real profliferation started, and oops was uncle Mush the COAS at that time
Spock bhaijan. Let's hope that Great Zardari asks the UN/IAEA to do a thorough investigation into the proliferation of Nuclear technology by Pakistan. Wouldn't you agree?
But Aalsi, that would make your so called president an international terrorist/criminal.
Spock bhaijan. So are you defending the proliferation of Nuclear Technology whether by Great President Musharaf or anyone else in Pakistan? Do you not want UN/IAEA to investigate what Pakistan has been up to and who has been involved? I am all for investigation. Aren't you?
This is exactly what I mean, there have been people of military involved, though this article shows proliferation started long time ago. The article does not show single “general” of post Mush era but I am sure there were some involved too. But hey, its army, they will protect each other’s arse whether the country sinks or not.
Had Mush put some generals on trial and put a “group” in jail/custody everyone would’ve stayed silent onwards but using one civilian as escape goat and letting others scott free is what defines as Mush-style justice system.
This is exactly what I mean, there have been people of military involved, though this article shows proliferation started long time ago. The article does not show single "general" of post Mush era but I am sure there were some involved too. But hey, its army, they will protect each other's arse whether the country sinks or not.
Had Mush put some generals on trial and put a "group" in jail/custody everyone would've stayed silent onwards but using one civilian as escape goat and letting others scott free is what defines as Mush-style justice system.
ehtasab bhaijan. How do you suggest Pakistan moves forward? I am all for an inquiry even if it means putting Great President Musharaf in the docks if he is indeed guilty. No country should be allowed to proliferate Nuclear technology that will aid terrorists or production of WMD's . There needs to be a thorough investigation, and if Great President Musharaf would not allow it, then what is it that is stopping the democratically elected government from carrying out the inquiry either themselves, or through UN/IAEA?
Do you want an inquiry or not? Or would you rather continue with the blame culture without any proof?
