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^ the Prophet (saw) and the companions with him failed to wake up for fajr prayer during a journey and they prayed it when they woke, although the time for fajr was over....
if making up for missed prayers was not needed, why wud they bother????
and if u have long overdues doesnt mean u r exempted....
just try to make up for as much as u can....
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Could you please support it with evidence?
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Code…
What if a person becomes Muslim at the age of 60…Would he or she have to make up for all the lost Salaah?
What about a bad Muslim becoming a good Muslim after coming to his senses very late in life…Does he have to make up for it too?
These arguments need support of evidence from either Quran, Sunnah and in the ebsence of both the interpretation of an Aalim…
My mother (She’s been a 5 time prayer 
since childhood) started reading Qaza-e-Umri…Just so she could make up for any she might have missed…
So, let us know…I too am most curious…
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There is no concept of Qaza e umri, however, one should offer nafal prayers as much as one can on top of obligatory prayers. And ask for forgiveness from Allah and try not to skip any prayer to the best of one's ability. Allah is most forgiving...
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The concept of Qada prayer is a later introduction, it did not exist at the time of the Prophet (pbuh).
A lot of people converted into Islam at the time of the Prophet (pbuh) and he did not ask them to offer their previous prayers. When they became Muslims and learnt that they really had to offer prayers and could not miss, they were asked to offer afterwards.
In my early years, I think I more like called myself "Muslim" but did not understand Islam as well. Later, when I really understood Islam and especially the concept of prayers, I offered all the prayers. To me, this was similar to a non-Muslim's case, in either case, both did not know they had to offer prayers and they both missed. Of course, everyone's circumstances and events are different. The companions of the Prophet (pbuh) used to offer nafl prayers.
As for the obligatory prayers that are to come in our lives, Quran has asked believers to offer prayers even if they are not ritually clean and water is not available but time for the prayer is running out:
"... and if you are under an obligation to perform a total ablution, then wash (yourselves) and if you are sick or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy, or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth and wipe your faces and your hands therewith ..." (Al-Maidah 5:6)
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Hazrat Bilal (ra) was supose to wake up everyone for the Fajar prayer but since they were returing from a war (or it was journy not sure on that) and everyone was so tired even Hazrat Bilal could not wake up on time for Fajar. They actually woke up when they felt the warmth of the sun hitting their faces. And thats when the message came from Allah (sw) that one should pray Fajar as soon as they woke up.
Now this does not mean that one should be lazy and try to wake up at his/her own convenience and pray Fajar when he/she wakes up. It is only IF for some reason you could not wake up on time and you are still allowed to pray Fajar as normal NOT qaza but making it a habbit or doing it for convenience will end up as a qaza namaz.
I don’t see any relation of this insident as a proof for the orignal post or a satisfying answer to what ammarr is saying.
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Ok, I guess there is need of elaboration of some elimentary concepts of Islam. ( this will be long :-( )
There are basically two types of Ibaadaat (prayers, worships) in Islam
Obligatory
Non-obligatory
Now quick questions
Are daily prayers obligatory ? reference from Quran n Hadees ??
In Sura Nisa (ch. 4 v. 103)
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Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allah standing and sitting and reclining; but when you are secure (from danger) keep up prayer; *surely prayer is a timed ordinance for the believers
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*So, is there a mention of 'five daily' prayers in Quran, their timing ? *
No there is no clear cut mention of five prayers along with their timing in quran... Infact 5 daily prayers were made obligatory at the time of *Meraaj *( prophet's ascent to heavens) and then he taught muslims the proper way and timings of thes obligatory prayers. The details of these prayers are mentioned in hundreds of Ahadees ( narations)
What if we dont offer these prayers ??
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Continued -- I am running out of time, will continue later inshallah
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Code bhai jaan who's arguing about the compulsion to pray.. all people need is the supporting evidence for this purported qaza theory..
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Hosla rakho, jai hun sut’ta bhatti jaga dita aye te bardaasht karo 
cont.
What if we dont offer these prayers ??
Quran and Prophet Muhammad(saw) emphasized on prayers more than any other worship. It is part and parcel of muslim life, both for men and women. Prophet said that these prayer (salaat) differenciate between a muslim and a non-muslim, Also the first question from a muslim on the day of judgement will be asked about these obligatory prayers.
**Ok, but dont you pray namaz only when someone is very sick in the family 
Also poor people should pray more so that God make them rich, I am already …
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The best time to offer my gratitute to Allah almighty is when I am perfectly healthy…
For experiment ..
I put blindfolds on my eyes for five minutes, walk around and fetch a few things from kitchen and fridge, reach for tv find remote .. in those 5 min i stumble a couple of time and got frustrated that i could not find the desired stuff so I said WTH !!! 
Then … I somewhat realized that how is the life for blind people, they can not see so much beauty in this world All their life is a dark night with absolutely nothign to see
All the money is useless when one is dying of a wasting disease
What if I die tomorow in accident, how could i face the accountability of hereafter, If I lived a thankless life ?
**But dude, daily 5 prayer are too much for our busy life ! why not only Juma ? They go to church on sunday too :k: **
Daily five prayers dont take much time, hardly 5~10 minutes for each one+ there are so many relaxations for busy people like joining two prayers and shortening prayer in travel. Also these are considered great exercises, best of all they keep your body clean and fresh becuase of wuzu :k:
ok, but I have not prayer for so many years, should I ask forgivness or I should give compensation like charity etc ??
Now read carefully :
**Muslim is bound to perform obligatory worships in Islam **
Most common is Prayer, Fasting (in Ramzan) Zakat (when applicable), Hajj (when applicable)
Now apart form prayers all obligations are dependant upon time and conditions. Now the general rule for all these that you can not repent for not performing them unless
You are physically unable to perform
You pay compensation, charity ( if applicable)
For instance If one is able to perform hajj, both financially and phyisically but even then he does not want to and say that I will repent for that and pay the money in charity …
No sir, this is not gona work ! This is beyond common sense, Islam is not.
Similar is the case with Fasting in Ramzan.
But the case of obligatory prayers is different. You have to perform them no matter what unless you are insane or in coma.
There is no compensation for prayers, No other person can perform them on your behalf
For obligatory prayers there is no moneitary compensation.
Please refer to post # 1 Now
*Important note *
The above conclusion is based upon life of Prophet Muhammad, whenever he (rarely) missed prayer (at prescribed time) in battle or otherwise, he immediately offered it . Prophet Muhammad (saw) never told his follower about the way of paying compensation (charity) instead of missed prayers. There is no dispute regarding missed prayers in all school of thughts in Islam
**What about a convert ? He needs to offer missed prayers too ? **
For a convert all obligations apply after his/her conversion, there is no question of offering prayers of his/her non-muslim days. They were not obligatory then. Similarly, all sins are washed away from earlier life, he starts new life in Islam
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Code, are these your own formulations?
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Could those who are of the view that all past missed prayers are to be made up, post appropriate fatawa?
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Lajawab- That is based on my understanding and very limited knowledge, Pleae enlighten if I am wrong :flower1:
Sadiyah- here
actually, could not find something solid in counter augument… here it is
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus2_33.html
but i do not agree with him , I am with all the four Imams of schools of thought in Islam
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Code_Red, your IslamOnline link wouldn’t load up on my end. The website IslamOnline.net is, but not the specific article (something with server I assume).
Anyway, the second link from fiqh-us-sunnah, from my understanding suggests that those who miss salah (most likely in recent times for valid reasons) need to make’em up, but it doesn’t say anywhere that if you have missed years of salah then you must make them up.
Here’s what I could find supporting the belief that you don’t have to make up salahs you missed for years deliberately either thinking that they are not fard, or you just didn’t do it out of laziness. This, by the way also talks about the years of missed fasts.
Source:He does not remember the number of prayers and fasts that he owes. What should he do?
Source: Expiation for not praying
A few more:
Making up years of missed prayersMissed prayers are to be made up before praying current prayer
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You people mess up the whole thread by copy pasting from other sites can't you people just post the link instead of copy pasting these so long post that even hides the orignal post of guppies who actually post what they think and how they understand things. Come on don't make people run away from reading by copy pasting long text from other sites.
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u kno wat, i think if one asks Allah (swt) for forgiveness truely, and from then on prays w/o missing a single namaaz, Allah will be mercifull...becoz otherwise y wud we call Him "the most mercifull, the most beneficial" ? :) just my opinion
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Wonderful Sadiyah…
and thanks…
And since you copy and pasted the articles right here, I didn’t even have to click on the links…A good practice from you for those with slow connections…
Thanks again…
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Sadiyah - I have very serious technical issues with this fatwa, but will discuss later.
as MSL said Allah is most merciful he can forgive what ever he likes, nothing is bigger than his mercy and kindness. He is 70 time more kind and caring for mankind than a mother cares for her child.
Bear in mind Allah says in quran that he (if he wishes so) can forgive any sin(s) {Haqooq Allah, Not Haqooq ul Ibaad (human rights in islam)} of men apart from Shirk. So we always should keep hopes alive and keep doing good and repent for our sins.
More later.
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^-- you are insistent on your point of view and unable to see what others are saying. You said you are with the 4 imaams on this issue, then please post their words/their works which specifically state your point of view.. dont give a false impression. Your viewpoint is "one" of the viewpoints, and by no means the only one..
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I am perfectly able to see what others are saying 
but, I am no one. No body needs to give a damn to what I say or think. I am only discussing here what I understand from holy quran and sunnah and I am perfectly entitled to. Everyone can aply their own brains.
I could not find the work of all the 4 imams on this issue, so I am not sure. I take back my statement.
Now first of All. I understand Obligatory prayers are most important obligatory worship in islam(Haqooqul Allah). And it is a private matter between a muslim and Allah. He is answerable only to Allah.
Having said that, as the thread has stretched to very minute fiqahi details… and I have my serious reservations, so I have to address it
Imoportant note : This is going to be a long and boring discussion about in depth details. You may wish to skip, instead of wasting time 
(please wait till I update this post …I hate writing long posts 
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Updated :
Ok the fatwa in the post # 33 takes Imam Hambal’s point of view on the issue of person who misses obligatory prayers deliberately.
There are two case in which a person misses obligatory prayers deliberately :
1. He/she believes that these prayers are NOT obligatory, so there is no need to pray.
2. He/she believes that these prayers are obligatory, but does not offer them out of lazyness or carelessness
Most of the scholars agree that in the first case the person will be considered Kafir (disbeliever ) as he has lost belief in God’s words and commands. He needs to re-embrace Islam. Same is the case with any other obligaroty worships.
For the second case, most of the scholars agree that the person will be considered Fasiq,( dis-obedient, big sinner) as he is not following the commands of Allah, and he needs to repent ASAP and start following them. In second case the person does not become Kafir.
But, Imam Ahmad bin Hambal ( A very learned scholar and source of One school of thought ) is of the view that the person becomes Kafir (disbeliever) in the second case too. The fatwa in post # 33 is based upon this notion
With all due respect, I do not agree with him. A Muslim becomes Kafir when he negates/deny the basic beliefs of Islam like Touheed, Risalat, Akhirat etc.
Now a person can not be considered small kafir or** big kafir**. Once you give verdict that someone is Kafir (disbeliever) then the all the approprate rule should apply on him.
For instance, I am married to a women for 20 years. I never offer any obligatory prayers, but my wife does it regularly. So according to above mentioned notion and the fatwa, my wife is commiting adultry by living with a kafir for 20 years ??
Also if such a person dies, will he be considered kafir ? if so why do we offer his namaz-janaza and treat him like a muslim.
So All this inconsistency does not lead us to anywhere, but the fatwa is based upon this.
quoted from post 33
Now consider the case where a person keeps all the fasts of Ramzan with great dedication (as we see some people become pouis during Ramzan )but does not offer the obligatory prayers, Although it is great sin , but do you think such a person is Kaafir ?? Althogh there is not an iota of doubt in his heart about the beliefs of Islam ??
there are no types of kafir, so we can not say that Oh ! that person is kafir in terms of worships, otherwise he is a muslim. No sir. there is no such thing !
Either you are a muslim or you are not. A muslim is the one who believes in basic beliefs of Islam.
see what quran says about fasting … and completing the number of fasts missed later…
**Al-Baqara (2) - Roukh 23**
O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard (against evil). {183}
**For a certain number of days; but whoever among you is sick or on a journey, **
**then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; and those who are not able **
**to do it may effect a redemption by feeding a poor man; so whoever does good **
**spontaneously it is better for him; and that you fast is better for you if you **
**know.** {184}
The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to
men and clear proofs of the guidance and the distinction; therefore whoever of
you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or upon a
journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days;
**Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty, and **
**(He ****desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the ****greatness of Allah for His having guided you and that you may give thanks. {185}**
Note the command to “complete the number” (3 times in the passage), specially in last, that is for whoever has missed the fast for whatever reasons as no reason is specified for the last order for completion of numbers..
Similarly there is some mistake in that fatwa regarding the compensation for breaking fast with no reason
according to one hadees it is either
According to Fatwa
But there is this popular hadees regarding the issu in Sahih Bukhari
*Volume 3, Book 31, Number 157: *
Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were sitting with the Prophet a man came and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have been ruined.” Allah’s Apostle asked what was the matter with him. He replied “I had sexual intercourse with my wife while I was fasting.” Allah’s Apostle asked him, “Can you afford to manumit a slave?" He replied in the negative. Allah’s Apostle asked him, "Can you fast for two successive months?” He replied in the negative. The Prophet asked him, **“Can you afford to feed sixty poor persons?” **He replied in the negative. The Prophet kept silent and while we were in that state, a big basket full of dates was brought to the Prophet . He asked, “Where is the questioner?” He replied, “I (am here).” The Prophet said (to him), “Take this (basket of dates) and give it in charity.” The man said, “Should I give it to a person poorer than I? By Allah; there is no family between its (i.e. Medina’s) two mountains who are poorer than I.” The Prophet smiled till his pre-molar teeth became visible and then said, 'Feed your family with it."
May Allah guide us all.amin