A Pacifist Uncovered- Ghaffar Khan [Split discussion]

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No one was trageting the whole race or group, I hope you didn't misread my first few words. I only stated facts, things as how they are preserved by non-Punjabi Pakistanis. On top of that, I dont even know what this post is doing here in this thread. It was meant for the other thread.

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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
To say that all Punjabis are having it good in Pakistan would be wrong. A lot of them suffer like many of the other groups in Pakistan.

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Please avoid targeting the whole race/group/cast based on ur personal thoughts or experiences with no proven fact.

Thanx
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I don't think it would be wise to discuss Pakistan and the on going genocide of Pashtuns (both in the militery ranks and in the ranks of the "terrorists") by Pakistani establishment in the tribal areas on Afghani sites. It wouldn't be fair to those who condone the wishes of a few greaty generals.

Now if you think that these tribes and the men from there are Afghani (national of Afghanistan) then thats a whole different issue.

Now dear, riddle me this, what the "A" in Pakistan stands for? Then you might understand why I call myself Afghan.

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *Great. You are welcome to go post on an Afghan site then. What are you doing here? Maybe the fact that you will be beaten senseless by your Taliban for accessing the internet is the reason you need to visit a Pakistani site instead but at least show some gratitude.
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Dude you need to read more history, even the British admired Suri.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Suri put to death numerous hindu armies after he defeated them. And whether Abdali was invited or not, doesn't change the fact he was a ruthless invader.

Again, nothing wrong with looking up to these people if you want to, but just be aware of the profound affect these invaders had on their victims. That is why I find it really arrogant when pakistanis and afghans look up to mass murderers as a source of pride. That's why I have never understood this mentality.

Today I find it funny that the invaders are the invaded, while countries like India are marching forward. A cruel joke of history perhaps.
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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
Now dear, riddle me this, what the "A" in Pakistan stands for? Then you might understand why I call myself Afghan.

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which A, the one after P or the one after T, while we are at it, do we know what does I and T stand for :)

lets hear it before I bust some knowledge here.

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Why should I care about if they have a stamp on suri or not? Suri, like Akbar after him, were some of the most tolerant rulers of India. But they still were cruel to their enemies, and in the case Suri, he butchered many hindus. This is just a statement of fact, nothing to get excited over.

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How Pakistan Got its Name...

The name of the country Pakistan has a fascinating history - it is essentially an acronym!

Prior to 1947, the country now known as Pakistan was a British colony. In 1947 the United Kingdom granted independence to the region under a new name, Pakistan. The name had been developed by a group of students at Cambridge University who issued a pamphlet in 1933 called Now or Never. They came up with the term "Pakistan" as "composed of letters taken from the names of our homelands: that is, Punjab, Afghania [North-West Frontier Province], Kashmir, Iran, Sindh, Tukharistan, Afghanistan, and Balochistan. It means the land of the Paks, the spiritually pure and clean."

Although the suffix "stan" means country in Hindi and Persian, the students were able to fit the names of homelands to make an appropriate country name.

from www.paknews.org

Now go ahead bust your knowledge.

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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
which A, the one after P or the one after T, while we are at it, do we know what does I and T stand for :)

lets hear it before I bust some knowledge here.
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Now dear, riddle me this, what the "A" in Pakistan stands for? Then you might understand why I call myself Afghan.
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You call yourself Afghan because you are from Afghanistan, it has nothing to do with the A in Pakistan.

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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
And are all those Pakistanis now traitors who want good relations with India?

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I know youre very racist and think Afghans might be superior to Indians, but may I remind you that Indians are much more revered in the world compared to Afghanis now? I would rather see Pakistan having prosperous relationship with India. Oh, and tell me why the great Khan sahib was such a big chummy of Gandhi and Nehru, if your definition of traitorship is limited to being friends with Indians?

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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
Now go ahead bust your knowledge.

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so afghania is not afghanistan, knowledge busted :)

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Cut the bs will ya, first you can't debate, you keep going in circles, you show how hypocritical you are by many of your bias statements. Then you resort to slurs and name callings, and when the same music is played by another then you cry like a lil sissy.

Many Pakhtuns (including many non-Pakhtuns esply Mohajirs) from Pakistan have been labeled many things when they have spoken for the rights of their people, so it’s not a first. I am an Afghan, and every Pakhtun living in Pakistan is. They speak Afghani = Pashto, they live by Afghanyat = Pashtunwali and their customs, heritage culture is all Afghan. We don’t trace our roots to Hindus nor India. If you can affored it, get an encyclopedia and look it up, though even then you will try to deny the Pakhtuns their roots.

You can try hard to hide or make being an Afghan look evil, dubious but it’s because of your roots and the genetic hate you have towards Afghans. Every Pakhtun should be proud of their Afghanyat. Being Afghan doesn't mean you are a national of Afghanistan, it means you come from the Afghan ethnic group. You need to read some of our Pashto poetry for starters, and you will see that we call our selves Afghans at the same time we are Pakhtuns. Khushal Khan Khattak, Ghani Khan, Hamza Shinwari, Qalandar Momand, Rahman Baba and so on.

And yes, it has a lot to do with the A in Pakistan. If the A stands for Afghania as claimed by many Pakistanis and Pakistani history, then it says a lot. Unless you don't know how to read or expect everyone else to be as blind as you are.

Just because one doesn't show utter patriotism for the current Punjabistan doesn't mean he is anti-Pakistan or a non-Pakistani. I wish to see Pakistan, Pakistan that was promised by Mohammad Ali Jinnah, not the current state of Punjabistan.

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*Originally posted by mufakkar: *
You call yourself Afghan because you are from Afghanistan, it has nothing to do with the A in Pakistan.
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So what its not? Whats your point? LOL dude, what are you trying to prove? What has Afghan to do with being or not being from the state of Afghanistan? Don't teach me my history or heritage. I'm not the one saying here that I am from the state of Afghanistan. All I said I was an Afghan, something you guys obviously have a problem with.

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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
so afghania is not afghanistan, knowledge busted :)
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Btw Afghanistan is still there in the name PIR SAAAAIB ;- )

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LOL so it is okay for you to have prosperous relationship with Hindu India, Baharat, Hindustan, Hind, but not Ghaffar Khan?

The fact is that neither Pakhtuns, nor Ghaffar Khan had any issue with being Indians, or had any animosity towards Hindus. It is you people, who some how will try to deny to yourselves that you ever were part of that nation, that ethnic group, or those people.

If asked, you always trace your roots to Iran, to Afghanistan (my grand grand grand father was Afghani), many will tell you they are “PATHAN” (my grand mother, grand father, was Pathan). God, if I had earned a penny every time I heard that. But none will say that I am a proud Brahmin or Unchoot etc. etc. etc. Just look at your Society forums, you will see many posts about the obsession with gura rang, and hate towards Indian culture.

It is your inferiority complexes that have caused this whole mess. You are confused, on one hand you hate Hindus, Hindustan, though on the other hand you can’t stop yourself from admiring them, wanting to be like them. On Fridays you go to Masjids to make dua for the destruction of Hindustan and on Basant you dance with them on open streets. In Pakistan you hit your bear chests shouting “Allah Akabar-Death to Hindus” and in the west you eat, sleep, and even marry them. You enjoy each others festivities.

You are a bunch of sad cases bro.

Not only are you confused, you have confused us.

Osama good, hero. Taliban good, heroes.

Now, both Osama and Taliban bad, terrorists.

Hindus bad, Hindustan bad, Kashmir Zindabad.

Now, let’s have prosperous relationships, let’s be brother, let’s play cricket.

Until I had reached the west, I always thought Hindu was a cursed word. I wouldn’t call a Hindu a Hindu afraid that I might offend him, till a Hindu friend told me that a Hindu is proud of being called a Hindu as a Muslim is being when called a Muslim. What could I have said, I was a typical Pakistani kid. Talk about racism, nigga please!

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*Originally posted by Spock: *
I know youre very racist and think Afghans might be superior to Indians, but may I remind you that Indians are much more revered in the world compared to Afghanis now? I would rather see Pakistan having prosperous relationship with India. Oh, and tell me why the great Khan sahib was such a big chummy of Gandhi and Nehru, if your definition of traitorship is limited to being friends with Indians?
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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
Btw Afghanistan is still there in the name PIR SAAAAIB ;- )
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and so is Iran sultan sahab :) what does that prove.

good ...so afghanistan should be a part of pakistan.
I say NO
we dont need more of those types :)

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No tell me what were you trying to prove? Did you prove anything?

The Afghan is still in Pakistan existence no matter if it is Afghania or Afghanistan. Me calling myself Afghan don’t make or break my Pakistanism. My Afghan heritage, roots, has been acknowledged by the founders of Pakistan as seen by the above proof.

Ignorance bro is something you can't afford.

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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *

and so is Iran sultan sahab :) what does that prove.

good ...so afghanistan should be a part of pakistan.
I say NO
we dont need more of those types :)
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Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
**No tell me what were you trying to prove? Did you prove anything? *

I was not trying to prove anything :) was I..
what were you trying to prove? :)

*The Afghan is still in Pakistan existence no matter if it is Afghania or Afghanistan. *

and so is sindh, punjab, baluchistan..whats the big deal?

*Me calling myself Afghan don’t make or break my Pakistanism. My Afghan heritage, roots, has been acknowledged by the founders of Pakistan as can see. *

did i doubt your pakistani-ness based on your heritage? I dont recall it

As long as afghan hertiage is not confused with afghan citizenship, or loyalty to afghanistan teh country over Pakistan teh country does not become an issue there is no problem.

Ignorance bro is something you can't afford.

dinn know you had enough that you were planning on selling it :)

joke aside, no one can afford ignorance or narrow mindedness,

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Cut the bs will ya, first you can't debate, you keep going in circles, you show how hypocritical you are by many of your bias statements. Then you resort to slurs and name callings, and when the same music is played by another then you cry like a lil sissy.
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I mentioned one fact and get all this name calling in return and I don't know how to debate?

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I am an Afghan, and every Pakhtun living in Pakistan is.
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No only you are Afghan. Pakhtuns living in Pkistan are Pakistanis...is that so hard for you to understand?

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They speak Afghani = Pashto, they live by Afghanyat = Pashtunwali and their customs, heritage culture is all Afghan.
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Then why is Pushto called Pushto and not Afghani as you label it here. Why is Pukhtunwali called as such and not "Afghaniyat"?

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Being Afghan doesn't mean you are a national of Afghanistan, it means you come from the Afghan ethnic group.
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No being afghan means you are Afghan. If what you are saying was true then Pushtuns wouldn't be calles Pashtuns but simply Afghans.

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You can try hard to hide or make being an Afghan look evil, dubious but it’s because of your roots and the genetic hate you have towards Afghans.
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Ok so go ahead and tell me what my roots are. I haven't told anyone here, but lets see your hate come out a lil bit more. So tell me what are my roots?

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And yes, it has a lot to do with the A in Pakistan. If the A stands for Afghania as claimed by many Pakistanis and Pakistani history, then it says a lot. Unless you don't know how to read or expect everyone else to be as blind as you are.
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I think we all know who can't read. As Mr. Fraudia said Afghania is not equal to Afghanistan.

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Just because one doesn't show utter patriotism for the current Punjabistan doesn't mean he is anti-Pakistan or a non-Pakistani. I wish to see Pakistan, Pakistan that was promised by Mohammad Ali Jinnah, not the current state of Punjabistan.
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First of all it is none of your concern because you are not Pakistani. You are Afghan from across the border. Secodnly you show your hatred for Punjab and Punjabis (or any other Pakistani ethnicity that happens to disagree with you) again and again and again making any debate with you impossible.
So what would make you happy? That all Punjabis are rounded up and gassed? Then who is next any other "non-aryan" maybe...

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Still here eh Sultan? Looks like us Pakis are just too awful to resist with our non-Taleban approved website. Why don't you forget about us and go blow up some more schools in the FATA areas in case girls get an education? Let us worry about whether we celebrate Basant and other evil occupations.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
and in the case Suri, he butchered many hindus. This is just a statement of fact, nothing to get excited over.
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Don't worry, I don't get excited. I Just want you to prove me when he "butchered many Hindus".

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I dont see any healthy discussion going on anymore. I thought the thread was about Ghaffar Khan.