When I said about the definition, I didn't mean as that would be the only criteria for someone to be a Muslim. I meant to say that there are ahdith which provide guidelines of being a Muslim i.e. A Muslim is one by whose hand and tongue other (Muslims?) are safe etc.
Support of Irfan Pathan or Danish Kaneria: First question would be, what are they "fighting/competing" for? They are fighting for "sports/entertainment" value, not religious value, there I will support Danish Kaneria, simple, isn't it?
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Ideally it does not make sense to have any kind of groups, just follow human values and the world would work just fine. But as it is human tendency to form groups based on certain criteria like similar looks, language, religion etc, it's not possible to live a group less life.
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"Ideally".... may be. But if you are talking about ideally than Muslims following "Islam" completely wouldn't be resulting in being the root cause of this thread, agree?
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When your hindu neighbor is in need, would you help him or some unknown muslim far across land?
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Of course neighbor is immediate and he deserves the help too "Haqooqul Ibad" :), btw you didn't answer my question on this issue.
Because not following Quran literally would render the basic premise of Islam obsolete, why be a muslim in the first place...there would be no difference between the clear, simple and succinct message contained in Quran and the convoluted, ambiguous, annotated, edited, and distorted message contained in the modern Christian and Jewish scriptures, not the original handed down to Jesus, Moses and other Bani Israeli (Jewish) prophets.
Seminole, you know that I am the worst enemy of extremisim who belew up their fellow muslim which they think is right. I am not favouring them but condemning them wholeheartedly. But thats our individual problem and we will deal with them when the time come. BUT if you look at what non muslims are doing to us with their tyrannical rule I will NOT anyway go before extremisim in my rank when American-Isreal nexus want to make us live in humiliation and tyranny.
I will deal with them and then come to cleaning my ranks. You understand me.
As Robert Fisk said that the obscene score-card for death in this latest war now stands as follows: 508 Lebanese civilians, 46 Hizbollah guerrillas, 26 Lebanese soldiers, 36 Israeli soldiers and 19 Israeli civilians.
In other words, Hizbollah is killing more Israeli soldiers than civilians and the Israelis are killing far more Lebanese civilians than they are guerrillas.
Wiseman and Captain1, I believe Pakistan should be secular. Any more questions?
And Muslims are like that story. You know, "they came for x, and I didn't do anything, they came for y, and I didn't do anything, they came for z, and I didn't do anything, they came for my neighbors, and I didn't do anything. They are coming for me, and no one will do anything for me."
I will deal with them and then come to cleaning my ranks. You understand me.
No, I don't. Why would you put out the kitchen fire in someone else's home when yours is burning to the ground? It is not non-Muslims making you live in humiliation and tyranny. It is the policies of your leaders, the extremists and an archaic view of the world.
By the time you get to cleaning your ranks there will be nothing left to clean. It will have been destroyed by the extremist elements. Unless the rest of the world cleans their ranks first.
To discuss this part, feel free to visit Pakistan Affairs.
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If you answer first questions first then may be I'll have more.
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And Muslims are like that story. You know, "they came for x, and I didn't do anything, they came for y, and I didn't do anything, they came for z, and I didn't do anything, they came for my neighbors, and I didn't do anything. They are coming for me, and no one will do anything for me."
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agreed, so we should quit our religion?
I am writing for Pakistan to be secular for last 10 years. But what makes you think what secular means? By being secular means that we leave our religion? Secular means we stop going to the mosques or reading the Quran? Secular means we stop caring about our fellow muslims?
Secular is defined by people who can do whatever they want in their life with respect to faith and Govt. should not meddle in their lives. But secular doesn't mean at ALL that we stop being muslims in any way and shape and form. India is good a example of that.
Seminole, I have already talked to you and I made my my self clear.
Being secular is nothing but a cliche' for the few in Pakistan. Its a mindset, especially of the elite, few NRP's and the establishment, who doesn’t even know how to act secular. Look at the ground reality, an average Pakistani thinks that Pakistan should not be a secular state. Now the "few" would do every thing in their power to enforce their will on the people. If they really wanted to act secular, they should have left people alone to decide the course of the nation. Not bending the rules every few years, so they can just stay in power. The secularist never practice what they preach.