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Bhool gya subb kuch…yaad nahi ab kuch…
Okay…try to recall ragistan.com (they use to have some chatrooms linked to beseen.com…lol
PS: I still can remember Doodh patti Khokha…where Kashmirigirl and Mahjabeen used to come to get booted…lol
Re: a defense intelligence question
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Re: a defense intelligence question
Talking about numbers on 'Heavy Lift choppers' Wadi is right.
Their use is limited in normal circumstances where heavy equipment is transported to airfields or bases and hence most often through huge cargo planes dominatingly by the Hercules (C-130).
I think that 4 figure which confused a lot of us, myself included for a while, was about the recent acquired Mi17s or it may have been about Chinooks. in anycase even the Mi17s are more than 4 i believe.
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Some people have hit the nail in the head already…
Here is the details of logistics
http://www.pakistanidefence.com/PakArmy/ArmyAviationInventory.html
Don’t know where you got the number **4 ** ^^ these are the latest numbers
Pakistan army currently has 38 MI-17 (heavy lift choppers) and with in 24 hours of this disastour around 20 of these were operational in the area later the number increased to 29.
As OG already mentioned that these choppers are ‘expensive machines’ and they are used in extreme cases. For routine operations Road links are utilised which are 100 times more effective. And Pakistan army has not wasted any time in moblizing its full resources
If God forbid the roads were not opened in first 48 hrs (thanks to Allah and Frotier works organisation) then even 400 or these heilicoptors could have done only the 5 % of relief and rescue effort now underway due to opening of road links.
Also on a side note, while watching ARY, Fakhar-e-Alam told that a C-130 consumes fuel of Rs 680,000 (roughly $ 11,000) in a round trip from Islamabad to karachi … Now looking at the size of gaints like Chinooks I reckon these machines also consume fuel in gulps.
Now recently DG ISPR told that 25,000 troops are already deployed in relief and rescue efforts and I assume same number of civilian volunteers from all parts of Pakistan are also there … which itself speaks of the magnitude of relief opperations and there is a huge cost involved in it.
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What you are missing is NO FLY ZONE; unfortunately a good part of affected area is severely close to LoC. Both countries (India and Pakistan) have to agree not to engage in any foul activity here, which unfortunately is not something that can be said or done overnight… So, the next question you may ask “why not areas away from the border?”, then perhaps what you are missing here is… The logistic helicopters, that can carry heavy artillery including the engineering core divisions, are very few in numbers. Keeping in mind the fact, that the machinery usually mobilized using Tank like vehicles. This is unique disaster in a very unique area. Here you have a situation either you wanna move your heavy duty rubble removing bulldozers or bunch of life saving medical teams. The preference was paid “drugs and medical teams” as 90% of the affected areas were pile of rubble. It can easily take months or may be years to get rid of the rubble completely, think of it as ground Zero. How long did it take NYC to clear up the mess, the answer is almost two years. After all it was just two buildings eh!
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Take a look at Pakistani Army Aviation Inventory
Inventory List: Updated inventory (August 2003) of current operational, number of units
Name Number Supplied
MFI-17 Mushshak 115
AH-1F Cobra 20
Mi-8/17 'Hip' 37 12 Recently Received June 2004 (1 Crashed 2005)
Bell 47G 12
Bell 412EP 9 Another 17 by 2005
SA-315B Lama 15
Hughes 300C 10
Harbin Y-12-II Panda 4
UH-1H Iroquois 10
SA-330J Puma 25
Cessna O-1E Bird Dog 75
Cessna 421 Golden Eagle 1
206B Jet Ranger 28
Commander 640 2
SA-316B Alouette III 24