George Bush is US president what other proof do you need ![]()
You forgot the key words, "A Washington Post poll ...". Right after those words, you should have moved on.
This guy usually has good info in his blog, even if he is a semi-rabid liberal..
Apparently he can’t help himself.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/sept0302.html#091403413pm)
Apparently the Vice- President of the United States can’t help lying to and deceiving the people he was elected to serve.
A harsh charge? Very. But I don’t see how the truth of the accusation can be denied after this exchange this morning with Tim Russert on Meet the Press …
We just don’t know …
Presumably Mr. Cheney is basing the veracity of this statement on the same principle by which he doesn’t know that I can’t bench press a thousand pounds.
Let’s take this one step at a time.
In two years the US intelligence and law enforcement communities have not been able to unearth a single piece of evidence tying the Iraqi regime to the 9/11 attacks.
In Cheney’s answer he reels off a series of allegations, most of which have either been positively discredited or remain wholly unsubstantiated. Even if each point were true – which, for the most part, they aren’t – they are clearly intended to muddy the issue by tossing out a variety of points not directly related to the question of Iraqi government involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
The one supposed piece of ‘evidence’, of course, is the alleged meeting between Mohamed Atta and a senior Iraqi intelligence official in the spring of 2001. But contrary to Mr. Cheney’s claim that “we’ve never been able to develop anymore of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it,” US intelligence officials have thoroughly discredited that report. And it has even been denied by the Czechs. What’s more, as al Qaida expert Peter Bergen noted last month when he spoke with TPM, the US now has in custody the two Iraqi intelligence officials connected with this alleged incident.
As Bergen asked, “Don’t you think he knows his get-out-of-jail-free card to some degree is saying “Hey I did meet with Mohammed Atta”? He’s obviously not saying that, otherwise we’d know about it.”
The point is that there is simply no evidence whatsoever connecting the Iraqi regime with the 9/11 attacks. What’s more, it’s not as though we don’t know quite a lot about how the attacks were carried out. We know who the perpetrators were – both those in the planes and many in support roles. We know where the money came from. We know about their ties with al Qaida and bin Laden. We know a great many details about how this horrific attack happened. And none of them have led us back to Saddam Hussein or the Iraqi regime.
Even applying so low a standard as that by which we judge incidents with four-year-olds and cookie jars, Cheney’s statement that “we just don’t know” whether Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attacks is a lie.
Why do 69% of Americans continue to believe that Iraq may have been involved in 9/11? Many reasons. But one of the most important is that their leaders keep lying to them.
I'd heard that over 2000 baathists didn't show up for work at the WTC on Sept. 11. Coincidence? I think not. Maybe Saddam was sick of playing "find the WMDs" and wanted start a game of "find the boeing".
To be fair, if I was an American watching Fox News all day long I'd believe that Saddam was responsible too.
Yeah 70 % of the Americans dont go to work, they watch FOX News all day long.
As the saying goes..
The Fox and the Hound....
“We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11.”
“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties.”
– GW on Sept 17
This crap is a lot like that favorite laywer trick you always see on “Law & Order”.. blurt some inadmissible nonsense that develops bias for all the jury to hear, then the judge says “strike that from the record!”.. but you can’t strike it from the jury’s mind, can you?
There is no evidence hinting his involvement, in fact there is evidence hinting otherwise.. but that doesn’t get mentioned? Saying there is no evidence leaves the possibility open. There is no possibility here so saying “there is no evidence” is just a sophisticated lie. As for the aQ connection.. there is in fact a great question in that regard, but all evidence in the debate points contrary to what the Prez just implied.
“the September 11”
so 70% american's were wrong in seeing saddam's involvement in 9/11. but how and why they came up to this conclusion? even when their own president kept on saying that saddam has nothing to do with al-qaeda and 9/11 and he repeated these golden words just yesterday. :)
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even when their own president kept on saying that saddam has nothing to do with al-qaeda and 9/11 and he repeated these golden words just yesterday. :)
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He only repeated one of them. He did say that Saddam had relationship with Al-Qaida. Although, obviously, there is no proof of that either, and its improbable as many US experts have repeatedly said on US media; cz other than their mutual hate for US, there is little in common, ideologically, religiously or historically, between Saddaam and Osama.
“The” September 11 ? :~/
Too late. You are right, the damage has been done, the comment may be officially stricken off the record now, but the lingering impressions have already been planted in the public’s minds. Lies, lies, lies. Is there anything they were telling the truth about.
I think it is more sad than funny. Must be those Fox news watching conspiracy theorists who answered this poll? These people should accept that their government told them a pack of lies over the Saddam/WTC connection.
I wonder what a similar poll would show today?
They majority still believes that Iraq and or Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Numbers are prolly 60% or 50% but still a great majority that watches REALITY shows on FOX etc. This also explains the attitude of the US military in Iraq. Those young soldiers fresh out of bootcamp or reservist have been indoctrinated that Iraq had a hand in 9/11 and these people are terrorist. This also played a part in the prisoner abuse as well as seen by the world in those photos.
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They majority still believes that Iraq and or Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Numbers are prolly 60% or 50% but still a great majority that watches REALITY shows on FOX etc. This also explains the attitude of the US military in Iraq. Those young soldiers fresh out of bootcamp or reservist have been indoctrinated that Iraq had a hand in 9/11 and these people are terrorist. This also played a part in the prisoner abuse as well as seen by the world in those photos.
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Well stated.
Yes the whole US administration/media spin on whipping the mostly dumb american pupolace up into a froth against Islam and the arab world is still working.
Basic edication levels need to rise in the US before they can being to handle the reality of their situation. This sort of education isn't avalailable in schools though and they'll have to learn the hard way.
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Yes the whole US administration/media spin on whipping the mostly dumb american pupolace up into a froth against Islam and the arab world is still working.
Basic edication levels need to rise in the US before they can being to handle the reality of their situation. This sort of education isn't avalailable in schools though and they'll have to learn the hard way.
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I am sure if the American people were told the truth from the beginning, they would be intelligent enough to come to the right conclusions?
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that's a recipe for disaster.... I mean putting Hamid in close range of the camel.
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Abay PA,
Hamid ko itna bewakoof nahi samjo. Woh raincoat pahnega!
70% Americans believe that Sadam was behind 9/11 because that's what they see on TV and for majority of Americans TV is the ultimate god. All truth in US emanates from TV. They just clean forgot how much Sadaam and OBL hated each other and the fact that OBL has declared Sadaam practically a non-muslim. Also didn't someone notice how subdued OBL's reaction was on defeat and eventual capture of Sadaam?