stick to the topic pls.havent u read mod’s warning?
the case has been registered guess and the culprits will be before brought to justice soon.
^ I was answering your **post so if mine was off-topic it was only because I was replying to **you.
Anyway, I'm done, just wanted to clarify why I posted that.
Re: 3 members of BRITISH UK FAMILY, SHOT dead in Gujrat, Pakistan
ya but u have clarified nothing.i didnet understood a word of what u posted.
Re: 3 members of BRITISH UK FAMILY, SHOT dead in Gujrat, Pakistan
Very unfortunate.
"Two captured brothers, believed to have been part of a four-strong gang who shot dead a Lancashire family in Pakistan, have gone missing, police have said.
The suspects, believed to be Mrs Yousaf’s nephews, were released on “protective bail” but have failed to attend court.
If a suspect is granted protective bail it means they cannot be arrested until they have had their case heard in court. However, now police in Gujrat are urging them to surrender after they failed to show up on Tuesday.
Their mother, Rafiquat Bibi, was allegedly heard saying the killers had only done “half a job” following the murders."
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Very sad.
Secret love-child ‘sparked honour killing massacre’ of British family in Pakistan
An Asian man whose marriage breakdown allegedly led to the murders of his parents and sister may have split up with his wife because he had a love-child with a secret girlfriend.
Kamar Mahmood separated from his wife Nabeela after being married for nine years. It is understood that the shame of the couple’s split – and the news that Mr Mahmood had allegedly cheated on his wife with a white, blonde girl – outraged Nabeela’s family so much that they decided to take revenge.
Nabeela’s three brothers and two other men are accused of shooting dead Mr Mahmood’s father Moham-mad Yusaf, 51, his mother Pervaze, 49, and sister Tania, 22, who were in Pakistan for the marriage of their youngest son, Asad, 24. The victims were sprayed with bullets as they prayed at a relative’s graveside in a village in Gujrat province.
Mr Mahmood, of Nelson, Lancashire, who is unemployed, separated from his wife last year.The couple have two daughters, aged three and five, who are living with their grandmother. Nabeela is understood to be staying in a women’s refuge. Relatives of Mr Mahmood in Lancashire and Pakistan said they separated because they ‘just grew apart over the years’. But according to Pakistani police, one of the reasons behind the split was Mr Mahmood’s alleged relationship with a white woman.
A birth certificate obtained from Lancashire County Council offices in Preston shows that he had a baby boy in October 2005 with Natalie Snowden, who is now 22. Ms Snowden, who lived only two streets away from the Mahmoods’ marital home at the time, gave birth to the child at Burnley General Hospital when she was 17. The certificate gives the father’s name as Kamar Mohmood, which is a variant or misspelling of Mahmood. It gives the father’s address in Nelson as the same four-bedroom house Mr Mahmood shared with his wife, and where they are both listed on the electoral register.
The certificate also states that Mr Mahmood was an ‘off-licence proprietor’. At the time, he was running the Money Save Foodstore off-licence in the Colne area of Lancashire with his brother Asad. The family sold the business about two years ago. And the certificate says that both Mr Mahmood and Ms Snowden were ‘informants’, which means they were present during the child’s birth registration.
Muzaffar Ali, 26, a law student who knows the Mahmood family, said: **‘All his friends knew that Kamar had a white girlfriend. His wife eventually found out about it through word of mouth. **This was one of the main factors that split a marriage that wasn’t very strong anyway. Nabeela’s family did not like the way he treated her. That’s why they did this.’
Inspector Meraj Baig, a Gujrat officer investigating the murders, said: ‘His wife found out he was involved with a British girl and that he was preparing to marry her. She told his parents and other family members and then her own brothers, who were furious. There were quarrels between the two families and, ultimately, it is alleged, it led to murder.’
The gruesome killings of Mr Mahmood’s family have shocked the tight-knit Pakistani community in Nelson. Mr Yusaf, who worked in a furniture shop as well as being a plumber, took his family – including Kamar – to Pakistan a month ago for the wedding of Asad, who has a computing job in Kuwait. After the wedding, most of the family returned to Britain, but Mr Yusaf and his wife stayed for a holiday, along with Tania, her husband Imtinan Afzal, and their two young children. They had travelled from their village of Jaura to Murirya – where Nabeela’s family lived – to pray at a relative’s grave when they were gunned down.
According to a relative in Nelson, after killing Mr Yusaf and his wife, the gunmen dragged Tania out of her car and then shot her in the leg. She was made to call her husband while screaming for help, before being forced to beg the gunmen for mercy so that her husband could hear. She was then shot dead in a hail of bullets as he listened on the phone.
When news of the killings reached Nelson, up to 17 members of Mr Yusaf’s family, including Mr Mahmood, flew to Pakistan immediately to bury the dead. It is claimed that among the five gunmen were Nabeela’s three brothers. Shehzad Arif died in crossfire with police who had been called to the scene, and Naveed Arif and Khurshid Arif were arrested. They were later bailed and have since fled the area. Their mother, Rafiquat Bibi, is in custody accused of inciting murder.
One of Mr Mahmood’s relatives, Eileen Ansar, said: ‘They say this is an honour killing, but where is the honour in killing three innocent people?’ Honour killings often occur in traditional Asian communities when a wife or daughter has a sexual relationship outside of, or before, marriage. The attacks are usually carried out by members of the victim’s own family.
Ms Snowden refused to comment on her alleged relationship with Mr Mahmood. The claims were also put to her mother Amanda, who said: ‘I have nothing to say. You can write what you like.’ When Mr Mahmood was contacted in Pakistan days after the shootings and had the allegations put to him, he denied having an affair, or a child outside marriage. This week, after obtaining the birth certificate, The Mail on Sunday tried to contact him again but he could not be reached.
Police say he is in hiding near Jaura, as he fears that Nabeela’s two brothers who skipped bail may also try to kill him. Mr Mahmood’s uncle, Muhammad Anwar, said: ‘Kamar has only one marriage but he has a friendship with another girl, which is normal in England. If he has been living with any other girl, that is not a big thing. ‘I don’t know about the child. Nabeela’s brothers might have known about his affair, which is maybe why they did this. They took it very seriously and appear to have done such a wrong thing.’
Should have guessed there would be something like this behind the story, not exactly common for a girl from ‘back home’ to split up with her husband here unless infidelity or abuse is involved (I do wonder if his parents knew what he was upto but turned a blind eye, seems like a lot of other ppl were aware of it.. obviously still no excuse for murder tho). It’s strange that the guy’s wife is living in a women’s refuge rather than with family.
Don’t know why these idiots can’t just marry their white girlfriends in the first place if they’re that desperate to sleep with them, rather than con some poor girl from Pakistan into marrying them then carry on having their ‘fun’ on the side.
Re: 3 members of BRITISH UK FAMILY, SHOT dead in Gujrat, Pakistan
This is so sad. 3 innocent people have died in what the media are describing as an 'honour killing.' Where is the honour in actions like this? Two families have been ruined. Pakistan is getting so much negative publicity in the UK - think Iraq and Afghanistan before the wars and that is the stage that Pakistan is nearing in the media in the UK.
Deeba I read a similar article to that one. It's so sad. But things like this happen in many marriages. There is still no justification for what these callous killers did. Humans have no right to decide who should live and who should die.
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^ Yeah, I know.. makes me feel really sad, have to admit I have a lot of sympathy for the wife even tho I know it's no excuse for murder. I just think so many girls who come over from Pakistan are taken advantage of and treated like sh*t. Sad situation all round (inc for Kamar's illegitimate child)..
This breaks my heart. From the news reports I saw Kamar looked really really devastated by this whole thing (I know that's a stupid thing to say because he's just lost his parents and sister but he almost looks as if he completely blames himself)
There is no honour here... absolutely no justification for taking innocent lives :(
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Kamar did look devastated when I watched the news relating to this crime, probably because he knows deep down that if it wasn't for certain actions this whole thing could have been avoided. Yes, he did the wrong thing, but I think that this will haunt him for the rest of his life and in all honesty no-one should have to live with something like this. So many lives have been crushed by this heartbreaking crime, including those of the criminals.
Many marriages break up, the dignified way to deal with these things is to move on and look forward. Divorce still has a stigma attached to it in many parts of Pakistan, but revenge to divorce should never be death, if we all started doing that I'd hate to think where the world would be.
Deeba I do agree that many girls get treated badly, they often marry men who already have girlfriends here and are just marrying to please their parents. To some degree the families are to blame for putting pressure on their children to marry a certain relative rather than putting their child's happiness first. I'm not suggesting that was the case here, but I'm just talking generally.
With regards to the deceased family members, I pray that Allah swt grants them a place in Jannat and gives their families sabr at such a difficult time. Ameen.
Parents feel a sense of duty to their relatives from back home, have a belief that girls from Pakistan will make better wives or may be just following the social norm. They’ll take their children abroad and push them into marriages based on the values which are important to them, closing the doors on all that their own child may want.
The personal incompatibilities which result from such tie ups, would put an intolerable strain on any marriage. An arranged marriage is only as strong as the people who are arranging it.
So blame for the breakdown of the marriage should be layed at the parents feet and as for their deaths, they would still be alive today if they had chosen wisely and married into a decent reputable family.
Kamar did look devastated when I watched the news relating to this crime, probably because he knows deep down that if it wasn't for certain actions this whole thing could have been avoided. Yes, he did the wrong thing, but I think that this will haunt him for the rest of his life and in all honesty no-one should have to live with something like this. So many lives have been crushed by this heartbreaking crime, including those of the criminals.
Many marriages break up, the dignified way to deal with these things is to move on and look forward. Divorce still has a stigma attached to it in many parts of Pakistan, but revenge to divorce should never be death, if we all started doing that I'd hate to think where the world would be.
Deeba I do agree that many girls get treated badly, they often marry men who already have girlfriends here and are just marrying to please their parents. To some degree the families are to blame for putting pressure on their children to marry a certain relative rather than putting their child's happiness first. I'm not suggesting that was the case here, but I'm just talking generally.
With regards to the deceased family members, I pray that Allah swt grants them a place in Jannat and gives their families sabr at such a difficult time. Ameen.
Ameen.
Don't know why these idiots can't just marry their white girlfriends in the first place if they're that desperate to sleep with them, rather than con some poor girl from Pakistan into marrying them then carry on having their 'fun' on the side.
Kamar is 28 years old, his parents gave him away when he turned 18. He was a fledgling, still being moulded by his experiences and his views still being shaped.
He ran into difficulties with his marriage but given the obvious family involvement in his marriage, family pressure to ensure a non-divorce outcome was likely to be high.
Desperate for some understanding and love, he sought it elsewhere and fell into the arms of Ms Snowden. I sympathise with him, I don't think he should shoulder any of the blame.
As for the parents you'd think they learn from the lessons from the past but then with blind ignorance Tania is married off in identical fashion at the same age.
Parents some serious questions for you to ponder.
^ I sympathise with him a little but at the same time it's disgusting to go and get someone else pregnant 5 years into the marriage. Is it common for teenage girls who've been married off to men back in Pakistan to sleep around with white guys behind their husbands backs?? Of course not, so what makes it more acceptable for the men?? In any case by his early/mid-twenties he should have grown a spine and either carried on with the marriage or divorced his wife properly, not ran two (or more) relationships at the same time resulting in having a baby behind her back..
Obviously, there are cases where kids are forced into marriage but then again I now plenty of boys who gladly marry girls from 'back home' cos as well as wanting to make their parents happy they want an obedient 'pure' girl who's a virgin, unlike themselves, they reckon it'll mean they can carry on like single men, staying out till 2/3 in the morning, clubbing and spending time with their gfs while the wife is stuck at home looking after their parents and can't say much cos they've been 'allowed' to come and live here and their culture dictates they should keep quiet and not 'cause trouble' by speaking out if they're not happy.. in a lot of these cases the girls spend nearly all their time at home, don't drive or learn English.. basically given the rights and freedoms of an eight year old child. The boys are also be able to save themselves a load of cash (instead of buying their own house like a normal couple they'll stay living with parents forever and be able to buy themselves flash cars, gadgets, designer clothes etc)..
Parents are responsible** if** they've really forced their kids to marry against their will but with boys this is rare, usually the sons go along with it knowing they themselves are prob going to benefit from the situation.
Deeba personal incompatibilities are the root cause of such breakdowns, which can be traced back to the marriage arranged by the parents.
Kamar began drifting away from his wife. As his independence/stature grew, I am sure he would have wanted to part company amicably and swiftly. But again family pressure (parents) was applied to keep the couple together.
So if anything, the parents should take the lions share of the blame. But neither do I condone Kamar’s actions. He should have had the courage of his convictions and split with his wife sooner, even though deamons where pulling him in different directions and tearing him apart.
There are plenty of women who are in unhappy marriages who emotional cheat on their husbands. Affairs aren’t only about sex, relationship experts maintain that any intimate activity between two people that breaches the trust of a partner constitutes an affair.
Web affair, revenge acid attack.
Douche bags.
Parents giving their daughters away without any thought, it just defies belief, when will they ever learn.
There is an assumption that girls from back home will just comply and happily live with their inlaws although I don’t believe this to be the case anymore. Particularly with poor country cousins who bring their village mentality here, they are difficult to reason with and can wreak havoc in the strongest of families.
I’m not the greatest fan of men shipping in their brides from abroad, this practice is leaving scores of decent reputable women in the UK without any suitable matches.
Most men enter into a marriage in good faith, but there are too many like you’ve described.
Shes smoking hot, strapless dress would look good on her, thanx for posting.