ALLAH (swt) knows best
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Taj2001
The question concerning Bush has still not been answered!
Nevermind.
We can now see how dangerous Speculation can be. Round and round in circles we go.
Condemning the events of 11th September is one thing and speculating on who goes to heaven and hell is another.
The rules must be consistent. Killing of innocents is not allowed in Islam and therefore the majority of the Islamic World condemned the attacks. However, what stance do you take with the powers to be concerning the killing of innocent Muslims. Will the Muslims in the armed forces and Northern Alliance and vice versa, go to heaven or hell for killing their fellow brethren, in light of the following Qur'aanic ayat?
004.093 If a believer kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.
The above is abundantly clear but I would like your opinion, even though I have given you the answer on a plate.
Like I have stated before, only Allah knows Best.
its better to say that such acts are hell-bound rather than to say that this person is going to hell, you never know.
if you can change world's opinion, or tell OBL, then just tell him that what he is claiming (kill Americans, UKs wherever u find them) is simply absurd, and out of Islam, and such acts are hell-bound.
why do you want to put tags on faces? why not put tags on acts instead? I hope this helps.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
We Muslims are responsible for the situation in which we are today wher ignorant Mullahs have taken over the reigns of our peaceufl and beutifull religon.
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Originally posted by khan_sahib:
** 8 of these hijackers are still alive according to FBI so why u want them to go to heaven or hell?**
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lolz.....i just found it funny!! even though i dont know if its true that 8 of these hijackers r alive.
if they were God fearing practicing muslims then i would think bout wether they would go to heaven..but these jerks were drinking in bars ****ing prostitutes in hotels before this happend..i dont know what jihad they were thinking about and what hoors they will end up with
hey TAJ, fist thing stop comparing the HOLY KAABA to some stupid buildings....
and we cant assume that some christians/jews/hindus or whatever can destroy KAABA cuz ALLAH will protect it from all evil....
and dont ask such questions....
a man committed ADULTERY in the time of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he got the punishment (or had as in sheriat, i.e. stoned to death) and people talked about him in bad words and the Prophet (pbuh) told them that the man was now in heaven....
Allah forgives whom he wishes....
and what seems wrong to humans, might be RIGHT to the OMNISCIENT ALLAH....
so better not waste time thinking about others, and worry about your own self....
however, if you ask my personal opinion, i think they will all go straigh to HEAVEN....
u can read the fatwa by the ulemah, someone also posted them here, by Sh. Jubrein and Sh. Shaebi, who clearly state that the whole thing was JEHAD....
MUGHAL ya mujhe afsar-e-shaahana banaaya hota
_.+._ ya mera taaj gadaayana banaaya hota
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\@*@*@/ nashaa-e-ishq ka gar zarf diya tha mujh ko
{_____} umar ka tang na paimaana banaaya hota
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, these are not the signs of good-doers to go to heaven.
Plus:
There was one of servants (of Prophet PBUH perhaps) who was in front-line in a jihad and was killed by enemy when they appeared suddenly. Most of Prophet’s companions praised this servant for his achievement and said he is going to Heaven, but guess what, Prophet PBUH said that he went to hell, people asked why? Prophet PBUH replied that his action was to get praise (of being strong/bold)…
This all boils down to Allah SWT’s knowledge after real intention of the doer.
And in my personal opinion, ‘suicidal missions’ are not part of Jihad, especially if the target is civilian.
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
Still…ALLAH (swt) knows best!
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If a person kills himself it's not kufur. It is a mjor sin, but not kufur, which means if he was a Muslim and committed suicide, he had committed a major sin.
guys read the hadith i posted on simply bought tears to my eyes...its a stroy about a man who murdered 99 ppl...then went to a priet and asked whether he could be forgiven..he said no..so that man killed him aswell...then he asked some one else about it..and he said go to so and so village and by allah u will be forgiven...so he turned towards that village..but dies in the way...now the angels of punishment and the angels of mercy fight about what should be done..allah then orders the village that he was going to get mercy to come closer to the dead body..and while the village he was leaving to go farther from it..and then he told the angels to measure the distance between his body and the villages, and if the village of mercy was nearer than the village he was leaving, he would belong to the angels of mercy and if not, then the angels of punishment...and finally the angels found his body to be closer to the village of mercy by one yard..and he was forgiven....buddy thats the mercy of Allah...so we can NEVER know if a person goes to hell or heaven..no matter if we live all our life with them.....BUT...killing of a muslim can never be forgiven if done intentionally and he will burn in hell for ever..i will qoute the ayat later when i get some time..inshallah
Thanday
No need to quote the ayat, as here it is again.
004.093 If a believer kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.
What utter stupidity? Are you human or a barbaric animal? Do you how many innocent children, women and men died in that attack? Ughhh!
We all seem to agree that the acts were against Islam. Use of 'our brain', and whatever knowledge we have of Islam (speaking personally) would lead us to conclude that the perpetrators should go to hell - however some of us want to adopt the get-out clause 'God knows best', since the final decision is not ours but the almighty's. But I can't help feeling this somehow exhibits a certain lack of conviction and faith in our own belief in what is right and wrong, and hence is portrayed as such.
I agree with Taj2001 - we need to give out a very clear signal to future would be martyrs (assuming they are muslims) - that acts of this kind are not an automatic ticket to paradise, and that so called muslim organisations who support this activity will be isolated and declared unislamic.
Sholay - you say: "Will the Muslims in the armed forces and Northern Alliance and vice versa, go to heaven or hell for killing their fellow brethren, in light of the following Qur'aanic ayat?"
I'm not sure what your point is here. Surely you can ask the same question of the Taliban, since they fought a bloody war with their muslim brothers (Northern alliance and others) to be where they are now ? It doesn't stop there - consider Iran vs Iraq, Iraq vs Kuwait, proud muslim Indians fighting muslim Pakistani's, East Pak vs West Pak etc etc. Who went to heaven and who went to hell ? Whose Jihad is the right Jihad ?
Does conflict then, in the end just come down to politics rather then religion ? Or is it politics when it is muslim vs muslim and jihad when it is muslim vs non-muslim, regardless of who is in the right. Sorry I know I've strayed off the subject a little - but I'm getting a little sick of the mullah mafia. When I was young my father used to say to me .."if ever you are unsure of someting look to the Quran for guidance, and the Prophet's (SAW) teachings and the Hadith etc..if you are still unsure - use your brain which God has given you.." This is so true today. Muslims need to apply a little of the grey matter if we are to get out of the quagmire we find ourselves in today....
Rahat