I agree with you about Poverty,…But I don’t recall anything where he might have compared our economy with India,…or poverty with India,…As I have said earlier,…Pakistan still has and will keep steady the standard of living,…which is far more better than India as we are discussing,…We are wrongfully being under-estimated by your Indian Media,…Please read foriegn News too for change and find out,…I hope you gonna be surprised,…"Pakistan current S&B rating is BB+ India’s is BBB!!! Does that suggest anything to you!. "
India just trying its best ti catch upto Pakistan,…while we had everything all along,…we had our open economy,..unlike India,…also,…Nuclear weapons doesn’t protect the nation against Poverty,…learn from SOVIET UNION,…India must take care of its 500+ million people,..then pay in billions on defence,…Also,..they stop worrying about us,…We are grown up and mature nation,..we know how to manage and live with dignity,..
why dont u start with urself by getting rid of ‘india fix’. here u start shouting even if someone says india is doing well or indian companies are in top 200. there was a friend of mine who will start quarreling if someone says that some person is good since he thought that it means that he is bad.
India is doing well. Hmmm…yes but its GDP per capita is still less than Pakistan’s. It has an external debt of some 100 billion dollars plus. And it’s GDP growth rate has slumped from the 6% people were boasting about in recent weeks to just 5.2%.
As for getting rid of any “fix”. I guess that would apply to India’s “fixes” as well i.e. with Great China?
Why we pakistanis always put down others ? It is true that India today is far more advanced in terms of technology and commerce as compare to pakistan.
Whats the point of denying the facts ..?? Why dont we get our act toghter and start doing wat the indians are doing across the border.
Fortuneatly Atta-ur-Rehman is the right person for the job he has made much progress in the IT section of the pakistan economy.
I was amazed when I read in DAwn that our bandwidth is at 600 mbits!!! man thats fast thats faster then a T1 connection (T1 being 1.5 mbit) or that they are developing the world's biggest call center in lahore.
so lets not try to ignore or make fun of indians, becuase where credit is due it should be given.
Dont get me wrong I am no pro-india-socalled-modern-wanabe-pakistani, I dont like indian policies in kashmire but when it comes to economics realities Indians beat us hands down and we have to change that instead of telling them that they are lying and stuff.
peace
To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.
1) IT sector upto 4 billions worth of exports
2) Biomedical research and development
3) Space and upper atmosphere research
etc... not that I am happy they are doing better in these and other fields I am just saying lets not deny the facts but try ourselves to better them !
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None of the above is indigenous Indian except cheap labour and imported hardware assembled in India.
I would me more proud of Pak if only one high tech product will be sold on US shelves as compared to cheap labout worth billions.
If Indian IT exports are $4B what do you think of Chinese $46B. Chinese space program and biotech industry is light years ahead of India but can you call it Chinese.
India is the smallest violen making the biggest noise. Indians BS all the time when you find a chino with $46B IT exports BSing like Indians do please let us know.
And finally it all boils down to just one thing. If dispite making tall claims they still have 500M living below the poverty line there is nothing to talk about.
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** None of the above is indigenous Indian except cheap labour and imported hardware assembled in India.
I would me more proud of Pak if only one high tech product will be sold on US shelves as compared to cheap labout worth billions.**
Matter is not of pride, matter is that of prosperity. Pride will come if prosperity does. Otherwise u dont eat pride for lunch and dinner.
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If Indian IT exports are $4B what do you think of Chinese $46B. Chinese space program and biotech industry is light years ahead of India but can you call it Chinese.
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well.. at least IT is an area where China is way behind India.. exports are much less.
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India is the smallest violen making the biggest noise. Indians BS all the time when you find a chino with $46B IT exports BSing like Indians do please let us know.
And finally it all boils down to just one thing. If dispite making tall claims they still have 500M living below the poverty line there is nothing to talk about.
premji sells IT, Heinken sells beer. Heinken is richer. So it really does not matter high tech or low tech. If u can get rich selling chopsticks, do it.
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mainly china exports textiles, toys and things like, not the high techg stuff which remains US-Jap-German hands.
Nothing wrong in chinese policy. These low tech industries generate massive employment and are good for populous countries. In fact, India should get i these areas But there are stupid policies. For example, toys are reserved for small scale industries so no way a big player can come and make cheap toys. so govt. needs to remove the stupid regulations and corruption which is there in china too, but much less. for example, some of indian industries like ajanta clocks is setting up production unit in china. are they getting some great technology. no. but labor lawas are better, govt. regulations are better and credit is easy.
in india govt has treated being rich as some kind of crine and socialist mindset made them believe that every rich is an exploiter. indian rich class is more busy thinking of schemes to take loan of govt and dupe them than any productive activity. and any productive enterprenure is looked by govt. like some criminal. innovation and enterprise has to get its due in india or eles things are not going to get better.
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Originally posted by Abdali:
** None of the above is indigenous Indian except cheap labour and imported hardware assembled in India.
I would me more proud of Pak if only one high tech product will be sold on US shelves as compared to cheap labout worth billions.**
Matter is not of pride, matter is that of prosperity. Pride will come if prosperity does. Otherwise u dont eat pride for lunch and dinner.
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If Indian IT exports are $4B what do you think of Chinese $46B. Chinese space program and biotech industry is light years ahead of India but can you call it Chinese.
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well.. at least IT is an area where China is way behind India.. exports are much less.
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Well the oil producing arabs are very rich but can they be proud of something.
again we are comparing china with india ... should we not compare pakistan with india ???
wat is this are we too proud to accept our own shortcommings??
dont be!
pakistan beats india in many things:
-cricket, hockey, and other sports
-missile, and nuclear technology
-other agricultural produces
but the fact is regardless wats india's position vis vis china or arabs its still beating us in economy! why is that so hard to understand ... if we dont accept the problem how the @#@# we are gonna fix it ??
so instead of comparing chinese with indians lets compare ourselves with india... and despite the 500 million under poverty India is still beating us in the UN living Standard ratings...!
To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.
Sir thats old news. Chinas Hardware exports alone are $24B, sofware exports around $4B and the projected exports for year 2001 are $46B.
China leapfrogs in IT sector too
Sameer Kochhar
This is a toy story of sorts. The way China has engulfed the world market with
its affordable, quality and innovative toys, it might repeat its feat when it
comes to Information Technology too. The belief and confidence of having to go
through an information technology revolution and a boom (read bust) cycle,
India will have to confront with Chinese guns.
Take tele-density for starters. China already has a teledensity of over 20 per
cent compared to our measly 3.5 per cent. It is further adding 2 million new
telephone lines every month. As per the recent pronouncements of the Indian
government, we now trying to be proactive by rolling out 1.4 million lines a
month on an average for the next ten years. This would take Indian teledensity
up to 15 per cent at a time when the Chinese teledensity is more likely to look
in between the 40 to 50 per cent range.
In terms of PC penetration also it is the the same story. China already has
over 16 million PCs installed compared to our 5.8 million. Last year alone
Chinese bought 7 million PCs that were more than the cumulative installation
base of PCs in India.
China also has a 2.5 Gbps international bandwidth compared to our 1 Gbps, an
Internet backbone of 55 Gbps and the number of Internet users nearly three
times ours at over 20 million. India is pegging a lot of hopes on software
enabled services that are totally telecom dependent. China has invested nearly
$97 billion in developing its telecom infrastructure over the last five years.
With these kind of infrastructure advantages the time is ripe for China to now
leapfrog into the software arena.
The total turnover of the Chinese computer industry is expected to cross $46.1
billion in 2001, an increase of 36.8 per cent over the previous year, while
sales of software are expected to be over $3.6 billion, an increase of 31.7 per
cent over 2000. All hardware exports exports crossed the $24 billion mark in
2000 10 per cent of the overall exports from China the growth is expected to be
over 30 per cent in 2001.
Sorry here is the URL the above info is also availabe from IDC, International Data Corp.
IDC bench marks all the countries according to their IT infastructure/industry etc.. http://www.indian-express.com/ie20010430/bus1.html
hardware exports.. yes.. but that come in ur definition of cheap labor.. software exports.. almost negligible compared to india.. india has edge in language and second advantage is that indian govt. has not yet got in it.. once indian govt gets in the business, it will perfectly ruin software also…
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** hardware exports.. yes.. but that come in ur definition of cheap labor.. software exports.. almost negligible compared to india.. india has edge in language and second advantage is that indian govt. has not yet got in it.. once indian govt gets in the business, it will perfectly ruin software also...**
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When did I said expensive labour yes ofcourse its cheap labour. The whole $200B export of China is cheap labour. But the point I was trying to make is that I participate on lot of Chinese forums and have as many Chinese friends as Indians. I work with both Chinese and Indians. The Chinese do not make tall claims and BS like Indians do. Thats why I said Indians are like a "Khoo da dadoo"
This is another thread that started with something and got converted by Malik and Abdali to a China-India comparison sheet.
I bet many Chinese wouldn't be as patriotic as these two.
Becoming too boring to hear their limited ability in discussing anything - be it religion or science or sports!
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
**This is another thread that started with something and got converted by Malik and Abdali to a China-India comparison sheet.
I bet many Chinese wouldn't be as patriotic as these two.
Becoming too boring to hear their limited ability in discussing anything - be it religion or science or sports!
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Sachi baat karvi lagti hey beta.
I don't care about China but the point is obvious with a superior every thing comaperd to India given the size the bottom line is.
We don't see Chinese BSing or landing on the moon.