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      Quote Originally Posted by C0AS View Post
      Reply krne se pehle km se km ye dekh lena chahye k sawal kon puch rha hai
      Sb ko yahan pta hai k us ne ye Hadeeth post kr k zaeef ya sahi ka pucha q hai...coz he knew the answer aur usey pta tha k is mein se jhooti mann gharat baat nikali ja sakti hai...n aap k jawab ka jawab b us ne ready kr k rakha hua tha pehle se hi...
      In logo k pass folders ready hote hain jin mein inki research k links hote hain, aur research ka sirf aik hi topic hota hai!!

      Ye Hadeeth hamari, jin ki ye hadeeth wo Nabi hamare, jis ne unko Nabi bna kr bheja wo Allah hamara (coz ye tou usko mantey hi nae), Deen Islam hamara, Quran hamara, ajr o sawab hamara, gunah bhi hamarey...
      Pta nae is k aur is k jeso k payt mein maror aur serr mein dard q hota hai !!

      Isko kisi qism ka jawab dena fuzul hai q k aap ki baat ka jawab ye seedha gustakhi kr k hi dega!
      Peace CAOS,

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      Just trying to do my job as it is stated in the Holy Qur'an: "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."

      Mein jaanta hoon ke woh kiya kehny wala hy lekin phir bhi aise baat kahi is soch mein shayad woh sahi raasty ki taraf a jay
      Never explain urself to any1 The person who likes u doesn't need it &The person who dislike u won't believe it

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      Quote Originally Posted by redvelvet View Post
      Allah had decided before creating Adam that He would send a vicegerent to this EARTH.
      Could you please explain what was the purpose of this vicegerent to be sent to the Earth? To show it to the mountains? seas? the animals who can not speak? Or to show it to the plants on earth?

      Or a Solar system level to show it to - Jupiter? Or Saturn?

      On on galaxy level to Alpha Centauri - the nearest star to us other than our sun?

      On a intra galaxy level to Andromeda galaxy?

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      If you have time and wants to know what is the truth - watch all the episodes of this documentary (with sold evidences from the geological history of our earth and then compare it with the details given in the religious texts - you will know the reality.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghd8H-KvwVA


      One of the comments from there

      "More people should watch these videos to realize how insignificant we are and that we should enjoy our lifes 'cause its such a big coincidence. Especially religious nuts..."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      Could you please explain what was the purpose of this vicegerent to be sent to the Earth? To show it to the mountains? seas? the animals who can not speak? Or to show it to the plants on earth?

      Or a Solar system level to show it to - Jupiter? Or Saturn?

      On on galaxy level to Alpha Centauri - the nearest star to us other than our sun?

      On a intra galaxy level to Andromeda galaxy?
      Allah is our Rabb and He wanted to make a creation that would recognize Him and His existence through their own creation and the creation of everything around them. For some that is easy to do, Alhumdolillah. And for more dheet and rebellious folks like yourself.....your khopri never finds any araam...because you have to question everything...why is the sky not green? Why don't we poop from our mouth instead of out our rear ends? Why don't we have wings? Why did Allah allows this if He is in full power to prevent something? Blah, blah, blaabidy blaa. You see, even a chota sa bacha can come to terms with the notion that "These are my parents. And I need to obey"......but it is arrogant folks that can't humble themselves to obey despite seeing the magnificence of creation around them. For such folks....there is an apt line from the Quran: Summ'mum bukmun umyun fahum la yarjiaaoon....meaning they are deaf, dumb, blind, they will not return to the straight path. There is a seal on their eyes, a seal on their ears, and a seal on their hearts...which causes them to go around in circles and not find any peace in any explanation.

      See, there is a difference between folks who are TRULY confused about something and want clarification....and someone who is DELIBERATELY trying to turn people away from their religious beliefs. And you, sir, belong to the latter group. You have an AGENDA...it is quite clear. It will make your breathe easier, digest better, poop better....if you can get people to abandon Islam. It's pretty perverse what you're doing. It's just a different form of fundamentalism, lol.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      If you have time and wants to know what is the truth - watch all the episodes of this documentary (with sold evidences from the geological history of our earth and then compare it with the details given in the religious texts - you will know the reality.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghd8H-KvwVA


      One of the comments from there

      "More people should watch these videos to realize how insignificant we are and that we should enjoy our lifes 'cause its such a big coincidence. Especially religious nuts..."
      Interestingly more number of atheist are trying hard to get purpose of life let alone enjoying it

      https://www.skepticink.com/dangerous...icide-problem/
      Why don't you commit suicide right now? - Ask the atheists
      Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
      https://www.quora.com/search?q=purpose+of+life
      Turn the table...
      Sun to sahi jahan main hai tera fasana kya.

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      I will leave a last message for you as well!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by redvelvet View Post
      See, there is a difference between folks who are TRULY confused about something and want clarification....and someone who is DELIBERATELY trying to turn people away from their religious beliefs. And you, sir, belong to the latter group. You have an AGENDA...it is quite clear. It will make your breathe easier, digest better, poop better....if you can get people to abandon Islam. It's pretty perverse what you're doing. It's just a different form of fundamentalism, lol.
      Alright I admit I am from the latter and I have an agenda too - look at our country now - where are we heading to with all this religious extremism - right now it is happening in Islamabad.

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      Correlation =/=Causation.
      I'm sure in many societies when people introduce themselves as atheists they also get shunned by the people around them.
      From your own source:
      "It is important to keep in mind that atheism and agnosticism have no inherent proscription against suicide, so higher rates of suicide among agnostics and atheists should in no way be considered a failure of these belief systems. Indeed, compassionate tolerance for suicide and euthenasia are widely regarded as hallmarks of many secular societies.The list of countries with the highest levels of atheism, agnosticism and non-belief in God (see: Largest Atheist Populations, reporting lists by Zuckerman, 2005, and Greeley/Jagodzinski, 1991) strongly correlates with countries that have the most liberal (or "progressive") laws, policies and practices regarding right-to-die, assisted suicide, and euthenasia for infants, the terminally ill, chronic pain sufferers, the handicapped, and depressed individuals. Zuckerman (2005) listed the top countries with the highest levels of atheism and non-religiousness as: Sweden, Vietnam, Denmark, Norway, Japan, Czech Republic, Finland, France, South Korea, Estonia, Germany, Russia, Hungary, Netherlands, Britain and Belgium (highest by level of non-belief, with Sweden being the highest)."

      Japan is one country with a high suicide rates, and it definitely is not because a good chunk of Japan's population does not really adhere to a religion.

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      This reminds me of what Iblees/Satan said, He too used a "scientific argument" when he was ordered by Allah Subhanhu Wa Taala! to bow to Adam Elahisalaam!

      Iblees's Scientific Arrogance was that he was created from
      "Fire" and Adam was created from "dirt" Hence Iblis was better than Adam ES and was not going to obey.

      So his pride got him in trouble....some people in this thread are making the exact same argument that their superior scientific knowledge is telling them that we believers are stuck in the past and all are mislead nauzubillah!

      In the end what it all boils down to is it is a matter of Faith! you can believe science or you can believe the One who created his Universe and taught us humans science by the written word... "Ullamal insana bil Qalam"......to each his own!

      We don't see things as they are; we see things as we are!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      I will leave a last message for you as well!!!
      its just frustration you are trying to cope with.
      do you have a purpose of life?
      Turn the table...
      Sun to sahi jahan main hai tera fasana kya.

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      Lol! I have no plans to die unless something accidental happens! I am happy doing what I am doing as a human.

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      Quote Originally Posted by redvelvet View Post
      And for more dheet and rebellious folks like yourself.....your khopri never finds any araam...because you have to question everything...why is the sky not green? Why don't we poop from our mouth instead of out our rear ends? Why don't we have wings? Why did Allah allows this if He is in full power to prevent something? Blah, blah, blaabidy blaa. You see, even a chota sa bacha can come to terms with the notion that "These are my parents.
      This was the questioning phenomenon which lead Europe to explore new lands in the 15th century to come out of the tiny continent and conquer the lands beyond the Atlantic. Now they are heading to towards other planets soon.

      Muslims are waiting for Imam Mehdi to come and rescue them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by IsaidwhatIsaid View Post
      Correlation =/=Causation.
      I'm sure in many societies when people introduce themselves as atheists they also get shunned by the people around them.
      From your own source:
      "It is important to keep in mind that atheism and agnosticism have no inherent proscription against suicide, so higher rates of suicide among agnostics and atheists should in no way be considered a failure of these belief systems. Indeed, compassionate tolerance for suicide and euthenasia are widely regarded as hallmarks of many secular societies.The list of countries with the highest levels of atheism, agnosticism and non-belief in God (see: Largest Atheist Populations, reporting lists by Zuckerman, 2005, and Greeley/Jagodzinski, 1991) strongly correlates with countries that have the most liberal (or "progressive") laws, policies and practices regarding right-to-die, assisted suicide, and euthenasia for infants, the terminally ill, chronic pain sufferers, the handicapped, and depressed individuals. Zuckerman (2005) listed the top countries with the highest levels of atheism and non-religiousness as: Sweden, Vietnam, Denmark, Norway, Japan, Czech Republic, Finland, France, South Korea, Estonia, Germany, Russia, Hungary, Netherlands, Britain and Belgium (highest by level of non-belief, with Sweden being the highest)."

      Japan is one country with a high suicide rates, and it definitely is not because a good chunk of Japan's population does not really adhere to a religion.
      lol @ "Japan is one country with a high suicide rates, and it definitely is not because a good chunk of Japan's population does not really adhere to a religion." come on, do you really call it something concrete?
      we are not talking about how rich you are but about suicidal thoughts and suicide rate. Being rich is not an argument.

      In More Religious Countries, Lower Suicide Rates
      I want to ask you what is the purpose of life for you?
      Turn the table...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      Lol! I have no plans to die unless something accidental happens! I am happy doing what I am doing as a human.
      You claim you have helped many on this forum but are yourself afraid of answering question.
      If you are not afraid of questions, let me know what is your purpose to discuss these things on this forum?
      Turn the table...
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      Quote Originally Posted by ajazali View Post
      You claim you have helped many on this forum but are yourself afraid of answering question.
      If you are not afraid of questions, let me know what is your purpose to discuss these things on this forum?
      Well aimed question. @Mostar95, there are two absolutes, Muslim and Non-Muslim. You can be at either one, or, on the path to either one.

      Quite evidently, you are a Non-Muslim. If you have established that Islam is not your faith, why would you want to occupy yourself with these discussions ? Unless you happen to be a person who feeds on conflict. Live and let live, perhaps ? If you are questioning Islam, which is not inappropriate, why employ this much of an irreverent approach ? A person who seeks knowledge and answers to promote their understanding is never so impertinent.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ajazali View Post
      lol @ "Japan is one country with a high suicide rates, and it definitely is not because a good chunk of Japan's population does not really adhere to a religion." come on, do you really call it something concrete?
      we are not talking about how rich you are but about suicidal thoughts and suicide rate. Being rich is not an argument.

      In More Religious Countries, Lower Suicide Rates
      I want to ask you what is the purpose of life for you?
      Whomst here is bringing up wealth? You pulled that out of your ass for some reason, even though I made no mention of it. I pointed out Japan because they are a non-religious country overall and they have high suicide rates. Their suicide rate can be attributed to a lot of things like their economy and its impact on the people, the phenomenon known as "hikkomori", insane school pressures for children, among other things. None of which are religion.

      So let me repeat again: Correlation = / = Causation

      One cause for lower suicide rates in uber religious countries could be because suicide is a sin in Islam and Christianity which are the predominant religions in those countries which topped that list.

      Purpose of life: Live life to the fullest until it is finally time to croak.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      Could you please explain what was the purpose of this vicegerent to be sent to the Earth? To show it to the mountains? seas? the animals who can not speak? Or to show it to the plants on earth?

      Or a Solar system level to show it to - Jupiter? Or Saturn?

      On on galaxy level to Alpha Centauri - the nearest star to us other than our sun?

      On a intra galaxy level to Andromeda galaxy?
      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      If you have time and wants to know what is the truth - watch all the episodes of this documentary (with sold evidences from the geological history of our earth and then compare it with the details given in the religious texts - you will know the reality.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghd8H-KvwVA


      One of the comments from there

      "More people should watch these videos to realize how insignificant we are and that we should enjoy our lifes 'cause its such a big coincidence. Especially religious nuts..."
      Tu Rah Naward-e-Shauq Hai ; Manzil na ker qabool!

      Jo Aqal Ka Ghulam Ho Woh Dil Na Ker Qabool!
      I say love, it is a flower, and you, it's only seed!

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      Quote Originally Posted by HamzaKhan View Post
      Well aimed question. @Mostar95, there are two absolutes, Muslim and Non-Muslim. You can be at either one, or, on the path to either one.

      Quite evidently, you are a Non-Muslim. If you have established that Islam is not your faith, why would you want to occupy yourself with these discussions ? Unless you happen to be a person who feeds on conflict. Live and let live, perhaps ? If you are questioning Islam, which is not inappropriate, why employ this much of an irreverent approach ? A person who seeks knowledge and answers to promote their understanding is never so impertinent.
      Exactly. The answer is simple. He's got an agenda.


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