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      Today's QURAN not the same QURAN as Mohmmed's Quran- REVELATION.

      Chinese whispers is one name for a game played around the world, in which one person whispers a message to another, which is passed through a line of people until the last player announces the message to the entire group.

      Errors typically accumulate in the retelling 's, so the statement announced by the last player differs significantly, and often amusingly, from the one uttered by the first.

      Even in digital transmission of faxes and other information transmission errors do occur even though there are check sums to prevent it.This is established fact.

      In fact information theory insists that errors must occur in any transmission and the longer and the more complex the message the more errors must occur.

      Some players also deliberately alter what is being said in order to guarantee a changed message by the end of it.

      It occurs to me since the Koran was copied down the eons BY HAND AND SPOKEN WORD that it must be subject to the same copying errors that would effect any other text including the bible.

      An Islamic Scholar has admitted that 25% of the Koran is incomprehensible due the accumulation of errors both unintentional and intentional. The fact of the matter is that Quran may not be reliable at all for Muslims.This could explain why every Muslim thinks he is right and other Muslims wrong and then uses violence to enforce his views on others.The Middle East is a perfect example of such thinking.

      Add to it the fact that it is written in ARABIC which is incomprehensible except to Saudi Arabians and is "translated" by every Tom,Dick and Harry with a vested interest from some interest group or other it occurs to me that the modern Quran maybe invalid.

      Also most Muslims cannot read and write being a staggering 72% illiterate.

      All their Quran Knowledge is "handed down" by Mullahs,Clerics ,Priests and many other corrupt and vested interests with an axe to grind or brainwash people into being terrorists.

      The Middle East is an excellent example in which everyone has their personal interpretation of Islam to justify their acts of Evil against other Muslims who have their own personal versions of Islam to justify their acts of Evil against other Muslims who.......and so and on.

      Also here is something all people need to be aware of.

      Some players also deliberately alter what is being said in order to guarantee a changed message by the end of it.

      So when the Quran was being copied down the eons there was nothing to stop the copiers adding or editing it for their own personal agendas either through a question of interpretation or an attempt to immortalize their own thoughts into the thoughts of others.

      Any Muslims here can should contribute to the discussion although I fear they will terrified of having their foundations shaken as what they believe to be written by Muhammed may actually have been garbled down the eons as explained previously and therefore maybe unrelated to what Muhammed actually thought or said.

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      Careless whispers..
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      Muslims don't believe the Quran was authored by Muhammad SAWS. They believe the author is Allah. And how about you look around the fish bowl you live in and you'll find many decent Muslims belonging to a variety of professions. (Medicine, education, engineering, etc) that are contributing positively to society and just trying to raise their families and go about their days. Take your eyes off the damn TV screen and look at the average, decent Muslims around you that form the bulk of the world's population. I feel not violence, but rather pity and disgust toward the rather obvious stereotyping in your post and even more the thinly veiled agenda with which you seem to have registered yourself on this forum. With your own extreme stereotyping, please don't think yourself to be above or better than any extremist group of any religion.
      Last edited by redvelvet; Dec 29th, 2016 at 01:35 AM.

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      إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

      Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the
      Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)

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      Wo tujh ko bhooley hain tou tujh pe bhi lazim hai Meer
      Khaak daal, aag lga, Naam naa le, yaad naa ker!!!

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      @tasn,

      Were Chinese gods? Answer is 'No'. There are more chances for omissions while hearing and noting down but when a revelation comes from Lord, it is absolute compete, accurate and immaculate except for those who don't wish to remove beam from their eyes so they may see it.
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      The quran we have today is exactly the same as was left behind among people by the final messenger of God. For proof beyond any reasonable doubt see HERE

      See also for the copy of the quran that is dated between 649-675ce. Ma VI 165 Kufisches Koranfragment, enthaltend Sure 17,37-36,57 ([o. O.], [649-675])



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      The problem is not the text of the quran nor its advised way of life called deen of islam. Problem rests with muslims and mullahs who fail to educate themselves to the level required by the quran. They rather remain ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, untrained and unskilled in thinking logically consistently.

      Mullah based beliefs and practices have misled muslims for a very long time now. When muslim masses will wake up and start learning the quran and deen of islam properly and follow it faithfully only God knows.

      [1/10] Javed Ahmad Ghamidi interviewed by Ulamma of Madaris
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz6wA7H3kKA
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUGLSYEsSpI
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OrzA3cppw
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjyaIrZ3DyA
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyDChCuAj8
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmsB232uS9c
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC6-f4OJ7AU
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruIYvOLj2I8
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T8RdfQpzeI
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLvXMdL360

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      Debate: Atheists vs Christians (Krauss + Shermer vs D'Souza + Hutchinson)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7vEB6FXtbs
      Creationist William Lane Craig gets humiliated by Lawrence Krauss in a debate
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o9UXjpT8ig
      #15 Debate - Lawrence Krauss vs William Lane Craig - Has Science Buried God - 2013
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb1-F_UEtS4
      Debate - Does God Exist? William Lane Craig vs Peter Millican
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVRy7bR7zI
      Debate - William Lane Craig vs George Williamson - Does God Exist - 2008
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch3L-HFbDG4
      #289 Debate - Matt Dillahunty vs Jay Lucas - Does God Exist - 2012
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8uvyUue7Is
      Atheist Richard Dawkins VS Rabbi Jonathan Sacks - Religion and Science Debate
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BRD4_q4CEY



      As one can see from various debates between so called top scholars of religion, philosophy and science one thing is common between them all that they all lack the knowledge about the way of making proper sense of message of God. How can they when people are born ignorant and God who has sent them his message to make proper sense of is all knowing about his plan and purpose for creating this universe and people in it. Such difficult questions have been answered by me in the link provided in my above post. So anyone who is interested in finding out about things must read through and see what are the real problems for humanity and what are the real solutions for them.
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      Quote Originally Posted by redvelvet View Post
      Muslims don't believe the Quran was authored by Muhammad SAWS. They believe the author is Allah. And how about you look around the fish bowl you live in and you'll find many decent Muslims belonging to a variety of professions. (Medicine, education, engineering, etc) that are contributing positively to society and just trying to raise their families and go about their days. Take your eyes off the damn TV screen and look at the average, decent Muslims around you that form the bulk of the world's population. I feel not violence, but rather pity and disgust toward the rather obvious stereotyping in your post and even more the thinly veiled agenda with which you seem to have registered yourself on this forum. With your own extreme stereotyping, please don't think yourself to be above or better than any extremist group of any religion.
      My post was based on Science and reason.Yours is based on personal attacks and accusations.

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      Quote Originally Posted by lethal kamikaze View Post
      @tasn,

      Were Chinese gods? Answer is 'No'. There are more chances for omissions while hearing and noting down but when a revelation comes from Lord, it is absolute compete, accurate and immaculate except for those who don't wish to remove beam from their eyes so they may see it.
      There is no mention of Chinese gods anywhere in my post.I said Chinese whispers.

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      How whispers can be even compared to written scripts??? Any scientific theory/formula/law when written it remains the same even after 100 years...humanity found Egyptian writing after 1000s of year as same...they've learned from Aristotle's writing as well...

      But for anyone comparing whispers with written scripts and asking to debate on the same is hilarious.. the most funniest part is, our desis go abroad have some hard-drinks (it is obvious that they find it hard to digest) see some skin and some Science with no or very little education and information on their own religion and there they go, lost in transition.... sign of weak minds....

      questioning Quran or Islam is encouraging... Quran appreciate those who question and think... but this is simply hilarious... whispers compared with written text.. comparing apple with oranges and based on that finding desired results and later calling it Science and reasoning and then saying why everyone is laughing...

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      Replace the "Quran" with "Hadith" in this thread will make more sense

      Majority especially Middle East tends to the follow it

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      Quote Originally Posted by tasn View Post
      There is no mention of Chinese gods anywhere in my post.I said Chinese whispers.
      Peace tasn,

      For the sake of argument, I agree with what you said "Chinese whispers". So my question is were "Chinese whisperer" were god or an angel? Or just an common person like you and me?
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      Quote Originally Posted by lethal kamikaze View Post
      Peace tasn,

      For the sake of argument, I agree with what you said "Chinese whispers". So my question is were "Chinese whisperer" were god or an angel? Or just an common person like you and me?
      You seem to be unaware of what Chinese whispers means.Perhaps you could look it up first in google,etc.

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      Peace tasn,

      I prefer an answer from you not from google uncle. Sounds like you don't want to discuss furthermore.
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