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Mar 13th, 2010, 04:04 PM #1----
this zaid hamid/yousuf kazzab connection may have been bothering many out there. a lot of young students joined zaid hamid after listening to him, after listening to his speeches full of passion and all good references to ahaadees-e-nabawi
then started coming these news about his links to Yousuf Kazzab (who claimed to be a prophet, back in 1999). in the start he simply denied any connection with yousuf kazzab, later on, he came forward with a different stance, and actualy started defending yousuf (who was killed by a prison in jail in 2002, which is another story) all this confused the students who have been following him in whatever he said and was showing their support to him everywhere he used to go...
some of them decided to ignore all media hype and news about it, instead go out to verify these stories themselves.
i'm posting below an except (and a link) of such an investigative visit of few students to Jamia Banoria Al Islamia, Karachi and Aalmi Majlis-e-tahafuz-e-khatm-e-nabuwat.
point to be noted here is that, they meet with Maulana Saeed Jalalpuri, who showed them all the evidences. He promised to give them the copies of those attested documents and audio cassets, but unfortunately, the next day he was killed in an attack in Karachi. stopping anyone to get a hold of those documents and bringing them in public, in zaid's supporters, at least for some time...
the below text is taken from this url: Naveed Ahmed Jawaid: Dar Ul Uloom Binoria Says Yusuf Was A Kazab Zaid Hamid Exposition
Assalam Alikum All,
I hope most of you remember me. I am one of those two guys from this community (GhazwatulHind facebook fanpage) who went out for research on Yusuf Kazab’s issue and most of the members of the community requested us to provide the detailed information of what happened on this day long effort. I will provide it in summarized form but please before I say anything I want to clear one thing “If you do not believe in what I say you can simply go to the places I refer and verify my statements for yourself, or you can visit any other renowned Alim-e-Deen or any school of thought. So here we go step by step:
Visit to Jamia-Banoria, Karachi
The moment we uttered the word ZAID HAMID the Mufti Sahib responded by saying “He is gumrah”. Then we asked about Yusuf Kazab and his words were “Yes he was Kazab”. We rejected to believe in his statement and asked him for proves. On this demand Mufti Sahib highlighted the following points:
- At the time of Fitna-e-Yusuf Kazab Jamia Banoria, Jamia Amjadia (it is worth noting here that Jamia Amjadia is one of the top most religious seminary of Barelvi Maslak in Karachi) and a host of other institutions (he stated an entire list of religious institutions, but I forgot their names) gave Fatwa against Yusuf Kazab. The fatwa given by Jamia Binoria and Jamia Amjadia was not based on reporting of Khabrain Akhbar, but on Yusuf Kazab’s own articles and his diary.
- Mufti Sahib made it absolutely clear that the Fatwa was based on documentary evidence rather then news reports.
- We asked Mufti Sahib for the Fatwa. They informed us that they are digging up the Fatwa and will soon publish it on their website. However, they stated that it would take some time, since the fitna aroused about about 13 years back.
So far, these were only verbal statements by Mufti Sahib – so we pressed him again for documentary proves. On this Mufti Sahib asked us to visit the office of Alimi Majlis-e-Khatm-e-Nabuwat, as they were the main party in the whole case and have an elaborate and comprehensive archive of the case.
I want to point this out that Allama Saeed Ahmed Jalapuri (the author of Zaid Hamid: Rehbar Ke Roop Mein Rehzan) is also associated with Jamia-Binoria, so the people who raise a finger on Moulana Jalalpuri are actually raising a finger against Jamia-Binoria.
Visit to Aalimi Majlis e Tahaffuz-e-Khatam-Nabuwat Office, Karachi
We went to the office of Aalimi Majlis e Tahaffuz-e-Khatam-Nabuwat, located near Old Numaish Karachi, and met with Allama Said Ahmed Jalalpuri in person.
We asked Moulana Jalalpuri:
“There are things on the web against Yusuf Kazab and there is a Session Court verdict against him but now Zaid Hamid is saying that the material against Yusuf Kazab is nothing but “bloody lies” and that you are a Fasadi Mullah (yes we said this to him on his face). So could you kindly explain us your point of view.”
Moulana Jalalpuri responded:
First we must accept that Zaid Zaman Hamid is associated with Yusuf Ali (for sake or argument I will not call Kazab) . Then why was he rejecting this for the past one and a half year? Just look at the argument he is giving. He says he does not know Yusuf Kazab but admits that he knows Yusuf Ali. This is a kind of argument like I will say for 2 years that “I don’t know President Asif Ali Zardari” and than after two years say” I did not said I dont know Asif Ali Zardari, the husband of Benezir Bhutto, I only said that I dont know any President Asif Ali Zardari because I dont accept Asif Ali Zardari to be my President” Is this a valid argument ? This is childish and shows the deceitfulness of Zaid Hamid. Ok now lets accept his later admission that he was and is associated with Yusuf Ali.
Now let us discuss the proves presented against Yusuf Ali in court:
- The famous audio cassette of Yusuf Ali’s speech at Bait e Raza [You can listen to the complete Audio Cassette here]. Yusuf Ali testified and signed that this is his Audio and he said those words. After this there is no room left for anyone to deny the authenticity of the Audio Cassette. So after the Audio Cassette does there still exists some doubt ?
- Eye Witness Testimony: The Husband of Yusuf Ali’s daughter testified against Yusuf Ali in court.
- Eye Witness Testimony: Yusuf asked the rishta of his sister from an individual. This guy appeared before the court to testify against Yusuf Ali.
- Yusuf Kazab’s personal diary bearing his handwriting. The diary is full of Shirk and Claims of Nabuwat.
- 14 Eye Witnesses Testified against Yusuf Ali in Court. You will be surprised to know that many of them still looked towards him as a Prophet.
Naveed Ahmed Jawaid:
All these claims that I have made above are verifiable by paying a mere visit to the Session Court Lahore. Moulana Jalalpuri showed us attested copies of these documents promised that he will provide us with the attested copies within 5-6 days. We intend to scan all these documents and upload them on the web. I am saying this once again that if anyone has any doubt about what I have said he should immediately go to the Session Court Lahore and get the documents. Please be reminded that this is a matter of Iman, which to a Momin is more important than his life. Please do not be lazy in this regard as unknowingly you might commit GUSTAKHI in the Shan of Rasool Allah SAW, as Maulana Sahab mentioned that one who supports a Gustakh is himself/herself a Gustakh.
The list of Ulema’s present around the web who were against Yusuf Kazab that is absolutely true and can be verified by viewing the documents of the case proceedings. Alternately, you could get in touch with these Ulema on a personal level to verify this.
Is there any thing left to say that Yusuf Ali was not Kazab ?
The people who were attached with Yusuf Kazab are miserable now. I can not explain to you what Yusuf Kazab did with them. He destroyed everything they had, simply demolished them. Many of them got INSANE after the verdict. Details on the victims of Yusuf Kazab can be found in many books written on the subject.
AMTKN showed us documents in which one of Yusuf Kazab’s mureed did shirk in his poetry for the sake of his Prophet Yusuf Kazab.
Question to the Zaid Hamid fans:
- Tell me are all ulema that are mentioned in the list FASADI MULLAHS ?
- Do you accept any Alim ?
- Is Zaid Hamid the final authority on Shariah to you?
- Is Zaid Hamid a Shaikh ul Islam?
- Which ever school of thought you are linked with have you visited any Alim?
- Have you seen the paper that Zaid Hamid shows in his video properly ? Have you seen the court stamp on it ? Is that paper complete ? or are you just blind in his love?
1- Are all the Ulema in Pakistan Fasadi and Takfiri and so cruel and blind that they didnt said a word when a man was being punished for a false allegation of Blasphemy (that is, if we accept Zaid Hamid’s claim that Yusuf Kazab was punished on a false allegation) ?
2- Why are you (who reads this all) not ready to go to any Alim or Dar-Ul-Uloom and ask this and is our media (that is very proactive in right or wrong irrespectively) so dumb that it has never highlighted the big corruption of Fasidi Mullahs (that is, if we accept that Zaid Zaman Hamid is true and all Mullah’s are Fasadi) ?
It is worth mentioning here that Zaid Hamid lied that the information was only in Khabrain Akhbar you can go to the offices of Jang or Nawa e Waqt and inquire them. Both of these newspapers along with a list of other newspapers and magazines reported on Yusuf Kazab issue.
Please think about no one else but your own Iman. Me and my friend’s responsibility was to do a research on the matter find the facts and present them to you in pure and untainted form without any changes. We have done our part, its now upto you to believe us or reject us. In any case I am telling you with utmost sincerity that you will lose your Iman, if you waited for long. We have done what we could, now it is upto you.
Additionally we can pray for SYED ZAID ZAMAN HAMID, that May Allah bless him with the Right Path. Maulana Jalapuri clearly mentioned that once Zaid Hamid curses the False Prophet Yousuf Kazzab, they will warm heartedly accept him as their Muslim Brother.
I am extremely depressed and praying for Zaid Hamid for the sake of our country and our youth as the youth is getting impressed with the statements he gives against the Jews & Indians. If he stayed cursed by ALLAH Subhan wa Taa’ala, our youth will be really extremely dishearted and might not believe in any future leader who might be on the right path.
NOTE: All facts presented can be verified by the documents of Session Court or by visiting any Dar-Ul-Uloom or by contacting Almi Majlis-e-khatm-e-nabouat or by calling Jamia Binoria or Jamia Amjadia.
Mar 14th, 2010, 02:09 PM #2----
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jazak ulmullaho khira wa ahsan al jaza
zaid hamid jaisai fitnay ko baynaqqab kernay k ley hamaray qeemete ulama shaheed ho gayee
inshAllah is ka bhi yousaf kazab jaisa injaam ho ga
jaa al Haqqu wa zahaq al batil
this is best site i found for all updates about this issue
http://http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.com/Jo ban ban ker bigray ussay Tadbeer kehtay hain
Jo bigar bigar ker banay ussay Taqdeer kehtay hain
Mar 14th, 2010, 02:53 PM #3----
aameen, and very true...
thanks for sharing the link
Mar 14th, 2010, 03:26 PM #4----
Just goes to show how gullible people are.. Another self-proclaimed prophet. They will keep coming..My God is none of your business...
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Mar 19th, 2010, 04:07 PM #6----
have you every heard the amount of love zaid hamid professes for Hazrat Mohammad saww in his videos. even if what yousaf ali allegedly claimed is true (which hasnt been proved so far; the case was reffered to shariah court befor he was killed) . it is has noting to do with zaid hamid because he believes in the finality of Prophet pbuh and has even passed a statement regarding so.
we should look at out own ammal before judging other people and think hum kitnay pani may hain. if i ask any one whats the latest film songs etc released they will readily tell so but no one could recite ten ahadess by heart. shame on us
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Mar 19th, 2010, 04:36 PM #7----
very nice.zaid hamid is fake.he never answers the question regarding yousaf kazab lanati.baat ko gool ker deta hai but now has been exposed in some videos on youtube.
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Mar 20th, 2010, 08:22 AM #11----
just listen to this sites live stream for 5 minutes Takmeel-e-Pakistan i dare you.. if you still havnt changed your minds.. i feel sorry for you.
Last edited by Ashoka; Mar 20th, 2010 at 09:30 AM.
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Mar 20th, 2010, 08:26 AM #13----
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TwJOIJ44-Ecopy and paste it
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9qvkFDmcvE&feature=relatedclick on it
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IlPHSsH_FA&feature=relatedclick on it
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycFtnkWZse0&feature=relatedclick on it
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVP9BqDvnyg&feature=relatedclick on it
6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GLf2VLb0g8&feature=relatedclick on it
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Mar 20th, 2010, 09:23 AM #14----
Zaid hamids press conference:
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-T30Ss2FTI&feature=channelclick on it
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7kXP3VTeI&feature=channelclick on it
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb2JUIXIY9A&feature=channelclick on it
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ICk9bq68c&feature=channelclick on it
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R33SXZqCt7M&feature=channelclick on it
Mufti Zia ul Habib Sabri talking about Takmeel-e-Pakistan
6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AeFIkJDYDA&feature=channelclick on it
Pakistan will Inshallah reach its devine right as the greatest nation of the world. and not thing what kazabs or sad individuals say or do will stop it..
Last edited by Ashoka; Mar 20th, 2010 at 09:29 AM.
Mar 20th, 2010, 11:10 AM #15
I'm waiting on the Ulema to expose him fully by providing all documents. Until then I'll hold no judgment against him.And never take those killed in the way of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive, with their Lord, well-provided, happy with what Allah has given them of His grace [Al-Imran, v169]
Mar 20th, 2010, 03:04 PM #16----
ulema have given their opinion kindly watch the link of "zaid hamid press conference"
Mar 20th, 2010, 10:46 PM #17
And never take those killed in the way of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive, with their Lord, well-provided, happy with what Allah has given them of His grace [Al-Imran, v169]
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Sorry to say , but our molanaz are kinda jealous of him . The guy repeatedly on media said that its not true what they are saying , but still molanaz are after him . I yet to see one evidence against him . Most of them are just talks , like our politicians do .-- Nauman --
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